Amazing Chinese guitarist(e)

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By tom
-  Thu Sep 28, 2006 1:40 am #186743
Very talented indeed. But John Petrucci would do 10x better anyway :D

By Renato Lemus
-  Fri Sep 29, 2006 8:29 am #186756
You better watch that caprice and others by Paganini in the hands of Eliot Fisk, absolutely outstanding.

And for some surreal classical guitar playing, look for some videos of Kasuhito Yamashita, you won't believe what two hands are playing.
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By glebe digital
-  Fri Sep 29, 2006 5:22 pm #186799
...what these people lack is 'feel'..........these both sound like exercises rather than music...........just check out Julian Bream for the real deal:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1laVJdJ9rT4

By mtripoli
-  Fri Sep 29, 2006 10:27 pm #186865
This is a "problem" that began in the late 80's... so many technique shredders... it's cool to watch, but really, where is the emotion...? When Yngwie came out, IMO, he was the first to really have emotion in his playing...

If you want to hear some amazing playing, but IT'S MUSIC, listen to the late Michael Hedges... technique out the wazoo, but so beautiful... and NO SHREDDING...

For "shredders", also try Buckethead... this guy produces some of the worst noise you have ever heard... however, he is capable of albums like "Colma" (btw, the album is named for a city in California... anyone know what it's famous for?)...

Julian Beam and other classical players - just beautiful...

Of course there are the "old guys"... Al DiMeola, John McLaughlin, Paco DeLuccia...

Eric Johnson: another guy with stunning technique, but you never "hear" it because the songs are so good (Ah Via Musicom)...

And for technique where there is no technique (give it a listen, you'll understand what I mean), try Nick Drake (Pink Moon)...

It's really a shame that so many spend so much time running up and down the neck...(btw, I'm guilty of the same thing... however, I just sold everything electric I had, and stick to my old NON-ELECTRIC Ovation)...

Wow, could go on and on with this...
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By Mihai
-  Sat Sep 30, 2006 2:55 am #186949
tom wrote:Very talented indeed. But John Petrucci would do 10x better anyway :D
It's not at all the same tom, it's one thing playing fast holding your fingers in the same formation and you just go up and down the frets, and a totally different thing playing fast altering between very difficult cords, on a classical guitar no less where even the slightest mistake is heard, the frets are wider, and you have to press down harder.

Perhaps people feel she's not playing with feeling because she looks so relaxed, but just listed to the music, I think she has a very nice, clean tone.
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By tom
-  Sat Sep 30, 2006 3:09 am #186952
Mihai wrote:It's not at all the same tom...
No, they are not same for sure. I meant he would be able to play the same song better ;)
Mihai wrote:...on a classical guitar no less where even the slightest mistake is heard...
There's no doubt it's harder to play nylon strings comparing to electric guitar, however any small mistake is heard more on electric guitar, plug and try.
Besides, people who play electric guitar (especially my particular example Petrucci) has already excellent skills on nylon strings, too. In other hand, a classical player may not have electric experience, although it's not important.
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By Thomas An.
-  Sat Sep 30, 2006 3:11 am #186953
Mihai wrote:It's not at all the same tom, it's one thing playing fast holding your fingers in the same formation and you just go up and down the frets, and a totally different thing playing fast altering between very difficult cords, on a classical guitar no less where even the slightest mistake is heard, the frets are wider, and you have to press down harder.
Very good perception ... the piece she playing is quite intricate, but nice.

Which brings up this other point .... what has precedense in our perseption of (sound) beauty ? Is something beutifull when it is intricate or is it beautiful when it has an overall harmonious sound? Can something become so intricate but tasteless and sound almost random ? Can something be simple, but so harmonious and pleasant ? Maybe there is a balance of the two qualities ... Personally for example I tend to find most classics to be rather boring for some reason (eventhough they are held in the highest regard by the music experts) ....
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By Mihai
-  Sat Sep 30, 2006 3:26 am #186955
tom wrote:
Mihai wrote:It's not at all the same tom...
No, they are not same for sure. I meant he would be able to play the same song better ;)
You mean play the same song she's playing? I have no idea why you'd think that :) She's not playing endless riffs...
Is something beutifull when it is intricate or is it beautiful when it has an overall harmonious sound?
I think as in any other art form, if you're not "into" it, you appreciate more the harmony/melody, but then as you start getting bored with that, you look more for surprises and change in tempo, creativity, something new. But I suppose they are called classical because they have the power to affect a large audience and I think even if it's your career, hearing a classical piece you haven't heard in a long time will still affect you.
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By tom
-  Sat Sep 30, 2006 3:31 am #186958
Thomas An. wrote:Is something beutifull when it is intricate or is it beautiful when it has an overall harmonious sound? Can something become so intricate but tasteless and sound almost random ? Can something be simple, but so harmonious and pleasant ? Maybe there is a balance of the two qualities ...
Well said, Thomas. Not only about the music but generally about the art, your question is valid. There are famous paintings which still make no sense to me. Here, Paganini is a true artist and the skill of the girl is another thing. Forget John P. and that short exercise video but I can find the pleasure in Kirk's amazing solo. Kirk's not a landmark guitar player, however he had created that melody. So, the one who creates is artist but the one who replays could just be a talent. That's my viewpoint.
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