[ivox3]

At the beginning, some Maxwell users has joked about the release of Vray for Rhino,

We we're joking, ....but we were never actually debasing Vray. .....just to make sure that's clear.

[Micha]

[Two weeks later.]

Good rendering seems to stay a hard job ... .

[Maximus3D]

I'd say the same goes for you too Micha, wonder where your renderings are now..

/ Max

[ivox3]

Okay, .....this 'tit for tat' line of thinking isn't going to cross that line below this sentence. ...
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If you have renders and your allowed, ..and you feel like it, ...then post them .....simple as that.

I don't think the lack of renders has anything to do with 1.1 though, ...some folks just can't post their renders and others are just private. Still, .. maybe some rhino folks could eek out a single image ...... dunno ?

Also, ....there's an extra bit of pressure posting a render in this thread, ...it's almost as if it we're to be the measuring stick of Maxwell's quality and ease --- subjected to a near macroscopic scrutiny by others, ...... oh man, ...great, ....let me be the first !!!

[bathsheba]

Still, .. maybe some rhino folks could eek out a single image ...... dunno ?

If Maxwell ever resolved anything that I want to render, I'd be happy to post it. At present I'm not using it because if there's any transparent or translucent object in the scene, the noise never clears. I don't understand how the previous images in this thread were done.

This small image reached SL 20 with unacceptable noise levels:
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The official/finished version of this image is here:
http://www.maxwellianart.com/cats.php?cat=&img=265

FWIW.

-Sheba

[Micha]

I'd say the same goes for you too Micha, wonder where your renderings are now..

/ Max

Hi Max,

here the link to my Vray gallery. It's 80% of my work from the beginning of using Vray started 6 months ago. Not all is 100% perfect, because most the deadline was tight.

Here my latest image. Quick done - HDRI setup, DOF enable (downscale from 3200x2000).
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Also, here the link to the user tutorials - some from me. Hope you like it (I like the panorama function - the tutorial is done on an evening).

It's not my goal to fill the thread with Vray for Rhino stuff. I would stop here. It would be fine, if more Rhinoll images could be shown here.

Are you not the meaning "Good rendering seems to stay a hard job ... ."?

-Micha

EDIT: For Max - links removed. If Vray for Rhino images are a problem, than it should not be a problem to remove it from here.

[Maximus3D]

Umm.. why are you posting a stupid Vray rendering here ? post them at the Vray for Rhino forum instead.

I asked for your Maxwell renderings, nothing else. But i guess i got the answer now. You haven't produced anything! and yet you try to ask others to post their stuff. You really digged your own deep hole in the ground with this thread Micha.

/ Max

[Frances]

Umm.. why are you posting a stupid Vray rendering here ? post them at the Vray for Rhino forum instead.

I asked for your Maxwell renderings, nothing else. But i guess i got the answer now. You haven't produced anything! and yet you try to ask others to post their stuff. You really digged your own deep hole in the ground with this thread Micha.

/ Max

Micha has produced astonishing work with the Maxwell beta. I believe he's asking for fellow Rhinoll users to post their professional production work. We can speculate all we want on his motives for asking the question, but still the question is worth asking. If Micha has no Maxwell production renders to show, it still has no bearing on what others have been able to produce. It also does not make him ineligable to ask the question.

[Polyxo]

Micha, what is really strange: You obviously can not appreciate one product, without getting the strong need of ditching the one, you used before. Why is that? I can remember clearly how it fabulous you found and how much you praised the render engine you used before Maxwell. So much, that a stranger, but with an inimitable accent had a singular but remarkable appearance in this forum, trying to show, that this software is superior to Maxwell. It was not only me, who started to wonder (...)

Holger

[Micha]

Max, I have missunderstand you. Sorry. Look back at the beginning of the thread - it's not my goal to post VfR images. If the Vray renderings are stupid, what is your problem? Good for Rhinoll or?

I have started to use Vray after all the RC/studio trouble. Do you remember? I have needed a stable full implemented highend render for Rhino for professional work. OK, VfR was a Beta, but the support - a dream. After a long time of Maxwell sparetime use I have needed a stable engine with support. All the trouble around the Maxwell releases was to much for me. So, the VfR was my only way to do my job in Rhino.

I have seen your gallery some weeks befor. Max-well? I don't want to discuss the images here. If you are happy and can earn your money with Rhinoll. Fine. Be happy. The motivation behind this thread was/is: if possible, I would like to see the cool Rhino|Maxwell images. The final plugin is released since 3 months, the general forum show me 21362 registered users and the price to use it is not cheap. Why not some images?

I have payed for Maxwell, but after the problems of final release, the bad support and the wrong informations, I have stopped to use it. The usage of Maxwell seems to be a big risk for me. I have thought, if Maxwell for Rhino is ready, than it should not be a problem to show it, without to much words. Max, I have buy Maxwell one year befor and you can see my daily work now. If a user stop to use Maxwell, are you sure only the user is the problem?

OK, a motivation to ask provocative questions is the frustration for me around Maxwell. But try to see it constructive. For me is it an interesting question. Is the render engine more important as the artist? Will everybody produce perfect images? Is Rhino|Maxwell realy so easy to use? Maxwell can give you an easy start, but what is after one or two years of daily usage?

But like I say befor: images without much words could be enough and we don't need to bother us.

[Micha]

Micha, what is really strange: You obviously can not appreciate one product, without getting the strong need of ditching the one, you used before. Why is that? I can remember clearly how it fabulous you found and how much you praised the render engine you used before Maxwell. So much, that a stranger, but with an inimitable accent had a singular but remarkable appearance in this forum, trying to show, that this software is superior to Maxwell. It was not only me, who started to wonder (...)

Holger

You are right and the developing of render engines for Rhino is the reason for the new sight. First I have buy Flamingo as an absolut beginner. After a few renderings I was not happy - to less special features. I stoped to used Flamingo.
I was fascinated by the usage of HDRI. Rhinoman|AIR was only render engine for Rhino that support many interesting, modern features. I had wish a small Rhinoman|AIR community could grwo, but the time was not matured. Than the revolution - Maxwell. The first weeks was a dream. The Beta was slow, but the words of NL so sweet. Cool. Only a few months and anything will be good. Crash. Nothing works. The RC is an alpha. The final a Beta. Help. I want to start my freelance work. Is there no modern well supported render engine for Rhino? I have find my answer.

PS: I know some Rhino user how has used several engines. Rhino and rendering - I'm curious what the the future will bring.

PS2: side note

[Maximus3D]

Bullshit that you misunderstood me Micha, it been clear to everyone since you started this thread what your goal was with it.

This discussion were about Maxwell renderings, so i asked you to post your recent Maxwell renderings and not just ask for ours. You as the master should start by showing yours before you ask to see ours, that's only fair. And what do you do.. yes you post a Vray rendering. Which tells us everything about your intentions.

My gallery, or lack there of has nothing to do with this (it's erased since a while back anyways). This was about your current Maxwell renderings, noone else's. So stay on topic please.

Your goal is obviously to promote Vray on here even more, so do that on some other forum instead of here. There's no need for this type of subtle advertising here Micha. You should know better.

/ Max

[Polyxo]

Micha,
what I am wondering about is, why you didn't switch to another platform. Rhino is great for a lot of applications, no question, but is still in its infancy in its support for (serious High End) rendering. For people, who don't do product development, but who earn their living with visualization exclusively, there's certainly stronger packages arround. Programs like Maya, XSI or 3DSMax produce much slimmer geometry with Subdivision Surfaces (but can also import Nurbs from Rhino), have strong meshers, mature texturing tools, inbuilt HighEnd render engines...

Much, of what gets in the way, when working with Rhinoll is also due to shortcomings in Rhino in its 3.0 release, to be fair. That's why I use Studio (which in general works quite well) until Rhinoll suits my needs.

Holger

[Micha]

Bullshit that you misunderstood me Micha, it been clear to everyone since you started this thread what your goal was with it.
...

It was realy a mistake. I have thought, you want to see, what I have done after I have stoped to use Maxwell. I know, it's hard to compare spare time Maxwell renderings without time limit and Vray for Rhino production images with time pressure. So I have thought it's my risk to show the work.
I have thought it's clear, that I dosn't use Maxwell and I want to see the current state of Rhino|Maxwell. I hope you feel better now, the links to my work of the last half year are removed from me.

@Holger: I have studied construction engineering. Than I have find my wife and she has study design and I have changed the direction of my work. Rhino is for me the best tool for technical construction and design. So I stick on it and the NURBS. I know, for a CG job was Rhino not the best choice, but I think, now with my new favourite tool I can do 90% of the design&architecture visualisation of the other programms like 3DSMax. I hope.

[Maximus3D]

Then take your favorite tool and go back to your Vray cave and sit there. It's highly unwise you continue your crusade to praise and reqcruit more users to your "religion" on this forum if you catch my drift..

End of subject.

/ Max