[Miles]

this is the reason why i bought maxwell, i don't want a new 3d environment!!!
let the studio lie and worked futher on the render engine and the plugins.damn!

You may not, but many people have bought into MR since the stand-alone version idea was added. This argument is a bit late. You should have had it 6 months ago....

[Mihai]

You may not, but many people have bought into MR since the stand-alone version idea was added.

Plus it was mentioned since the beginning on the maxwell site.....

[Micha]

this is the reason why i bought maxwell, i don't want a new 3d environment!!!
let the studio lie and worked futher on the render engine and the plugins.damn!

You may not, but many people have bought into MR since the stand-alone version idea was added. This argument is a bit late. You should have had it 6 months ago....

Look at the poll. More people buy it befor.

And if you try to be fair, you could say: who comes later get later what he want. Some people are waiting since very much months for a working plugin and you only since the summer.

[Miles]

And if you try to be fair, you could say: who comes later get later what he want. Some people are waiting since very much months for a working plugin and you only since the summer.

It's a fair point

I would prefer to see more of a spirit of solidarity in the forum over this, though.

You get people clamouring that the plugins should take priority - then you get arguments as to the pecking order of plugins, it's not very edifying....

Looking at the Big Poll results, so far 28% don't want the plugins to be given priority. It's a minority, but not insignificant

I'd much rather everything moved forward together, but I'll be patient whatever happens....

Miles

[iandavis]

mihai,

am I wrong... but when I read the agreement it was pretty vague regarding the stand alone. When I PLUNKED DOWN MY MONEY there was no mention that the stand alone would be a complete 3D environment but simply a 'stand alone renderer'

Has anybody actually put any thought into what kind of impact this will have on their workflow?

Think about it.
-set up scene in Lightwave (or whatever)
-open scene in maxwell studio (is that even possible)
If it's NOT possible then you can only use lightwave as a MODELER!
-Once the scene is completely built/tweaked in Maxwell studio you get to render
-oops the client wants changes
-Go back to lightwave, since my objects are mostly subd I now have to start ALL OVER in maxwell studio. Import objects... reapply textures.

Unless I have missed something huge here.. I can never see myself wasting my time with Maxwell studio EXCEPT to use it as a texture editor. As long as the maxwell rendering plugin is available from Lightwave there will be no use for the stand alone, and frankly it only wastes my time.

So, tell me again why THIS has to be the first order of business? Why NL has sunk the entire year into this? So, we have to do without a functional RENDERING ENGINE wayyyy past their promised release date for them to finish THIS?

Wouldn't the more sensible course of action be to finish the engine itself... get glass working for crap sake. EVEN if no additional functionality were added to the plugins I DON'T CARE. Get the promised functionality working for the plugins, like clip maps, glass, noise reduction, a better sun control... THAT WOULD BE DONE NOW... and we would ALL have something... SOMETHING to render with while we waited for this magical stand alone.

NL made a bad call.

[Miles]

I'm trying to render myself a better world.

Try harder, Ian .......

[aitraaz]

So, tell me again why THIS has to be the first order of business? Why NL has sunk the entire year into this? So, we have to do without a functional RENDERING ENGINE wayyyy past their promised release date for them to finish THIS?

Not disagreeing but i think NL mentioned today that plugin development will continue, even if it that will take some time. I can only speak for 3dmax, but if i can import materials into 3dmax in the MXM format from Maxwell Studio (and eventually have a personalized library of maxwell materials that i can use in 3ds max), the workflow issue could be alot easier, and you'd have the possibility of being able to go between your host app and maxwell studio - its pretty interesting. The problem is that its all so incomplete at this stage, so its looks like a total mess, but i think development is on track, they just need alot of time. Maybe it was too ambitious trying to do all of this at once but it looks like eventually it will all work...

[Mihai]

Not disagreeing but i think NL mentioned today that plugin development will continue, even if it that will take some time. I can only speak for 3dmax, but if i can import materials into 3dmax in the MXM format from Maxwell Studio (and eventually have a personalized library of maxwell materials that i can use in 3ds max)

The new Max plugin already has a new material type, MXM, to import maxwell materials.

[aitraaz]

Yes sir, i know...

[iandavis]

Miles,

tried hard.. been there... done that...

iandavis.ws/maxwell

I stopped wasting time when I ran into the 'noise/noglass' wall.. until I get a FUNCTIONAL RC then I guess I should change my tagline..

oh look, done already.

[iandavis]

I don't know if I entirely agree monkeyboy

A lot of people bought the alpha under the impression NL was a trustworthy company... this is no fly-by-night setup here... these guys sell realflow and are world renound for it. When they advertised that they were building a new kind of rendering engine, and it would be released at the end of summer 2005... well WE KINDA BOUGHT IT.

If it were some upstart company with a really bad website then yes, those who bought into it likely would do so with some small expectation of failure... speculative software investment..

I don't believe this is the case here. It's like if you bought a new alpha from Discreet. would there be ANY expectations of the company just dropping the product, or even failing so terribly with deadlines? No. NL is an established company, with a viable product line. This result was absolutely a shock, and their handling of this is inexcusable for a company of this standing.

[Mihai]

Yes, unlike other garage companies like say MS, when was Longhorn due again??......or that other start up Softimage when they released XSI 1, I heard that was lots of fun for them.....or those guys making Vray, 1.5 here yet?

It's amazing how much energy you guys have to discuss to death these things....pretty obvious things went wrong for NL, but you go on the forum and it's like Groundhog Day. I realize people like to discuss things but isn't there a point you reach where you just get too bored to talk about exactly the same things in exactly the same way?

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[daros]

I agree with Mihai, let's stop to speak about that. I think NL has now enough threads to read. And even if NL is a strange company i prefer it at all others.
You think i must change my avatar to speak seriusly? .

[JDHill]

It's amazing how much energy you guys have to discuss to death these things....pretty obvious things went wrong for NL, but you go on the forum and it's like Groundhog Day.

Exactly.

Humorous even, if you stop and realize who provides this forum, no?


~JD