[robinh]

Like most people, I would say even so it is a nice feature, it's not one I'm likely to use for now. There's already so much to do to keep the rendertimes as low as possible, for me to even imagine myself taking more time tuning fancy glare.
Ok what I desperately need might be a new computer, but by that time I hope maxwell will also have been improved on things that matters for me.
But I can imagine, sometimes developpers have to work on features that can more easily be finished, and go on with the next limit ^^

[Tea_Bag]

The thing is we weren't given an exact date I know NL Said mid may but they didn't say 15 May so "mid may" could mean the end of the week as next week is out of the mid may week so I think Friday will be the latest we will see 1.5. Hopefully I made sense

[SunlightRocker]

MUAHAHA. I bet NL are laughing their asses of right now.

NL-Guy1: Ok, we have to announce something now...

NL-Guy2: Ok, lets trow this bunny in, and see how it will survive.

NL-Guy1: Great Idea.

I bet that 1.5 will have all those futures we are waithing for, CUZ if they dont, they know, many people will leave to the other new renderer. And I dont think they will let that happen. So, guys, trust me, MicroPolyDisplacementMapping, Instancing and all those futures we really want to see, will NEVER be announced until, 1.5 is Out. Thats the way NL works.

Keep up the good work, NL.

// Tobias

[jespi]

To sunlightrocker: Are you sure you bet? I acept your bet. Do you really think that maxwell 1.5 will have displacement, instance...... i think you are dreaming, but maybe i´m wrong(i hope).

For me is degrading the way NL comunicate with us, like if we were subnormals. And please Nicole don´t use sentences like: next week i´ll show you a new feature that is or something similar to show us these kind of feature. This is not a great feature!! at least for me and the majority maxwell´s users. Sorry Nicole i am not complaining against you i know you are not the responsable.

[pluMmet]

Sorry Nicole i am not complaining against you i know you are not the responsable.

I don't think anyone is upset at Nicole...

In my limited experiences when there is a problem and the person(s) causing the problems don't want to talk about it it's because they know that what they are doing is wrong in that it's not the best way to solve the problem.

Then in their quietness along comes some morons to blow sunshine up everyone’s Arses trying to settle everyone down. We have a couple of those here.

In example after example in my life people who are willing to fix mistakes publicize an action plan that is strictly adhered to. This is not the case. We instead have the sunshine boys

[SunlightRocker]

To sunlightrocker: Are you sure you bet? I acept your bet. Do you really think that maxwell 1.5 will have displacement, instance...... i think you are dreaming, but maybe i´m wrong(i hope).

Im just saying that if they dont, they have a very big problem.

Right now, FryRender is (in my opinion) a much better renderer (on soooo many levels), and if NL dont make 1.5 better than Fry, then there is no reason for me to stay with Maxwell anymore. But if 1.5 is better than Fry, then there is no reason for me to learn a new renerer. So, the future will tell.

// Tobias

[JTB]

If this happens with every new feature, then somebody has to change the "easy as taking a picture" because we will end with more params than mental ray!

Woah now, let's not get too crazy! mental ray still has a few hundred more parametres than Maxwell, and so do lots of cameras these days.

Yes, I know, I wanted to emphasize the fact

[VisualImpact]

We instead have the sunshine boys

[def4d]

For me it started with the disappear of the volumetrics,or the bounce control they promised back (soon)
We ask for displace, they give us Glare
We ask for bake, wow, this is the new RC !!! (no comment)
We ask for good render layers, they give us a studio
We ask for ridiculous things that ALL other renderers have since the BigBang, and... brooothers and sisters... this iiiiiis... SimuYourself 2.3c with 12000 licenses (you're welcome), and you %µ£+¨3# users why are you angry?

To be continued...

[insomnia3d]

Easy now man!

Although, i will agree that not having certain features on Maxwell 1.5 will be some trouble for NL, i would not go as far as saying that Fry is much better. Actually you show me the proof of better image results with Fry. Give me the top and I'll find a ~ feature that will surpass it. Just by reading the Fry Render Manual, in which they give you links for noise reduction issues and constantly excuse the high noise levels makes me want to think twice. Actually a lot of the scenes i have scene have the look of an Alpha in ~.
I think that a lot of people on this forum can testify that ~ is becoming a stable rendering software, and like all it has its flaws. Stable enough to use as a production tool for all types of projects.
So, even though we are missing some features, Fry Render is a baby compared to ~.
As a further defense of NL, whom sometimes can be a bit Prima-Donna in their ways lets be honest, i am sure that developing a software such as ~ can be a very challenging matter. And even if we are costumers we do have a choice. I can tell you that Vray, for me, is a much lower level (actually a different dimension), and as a former tester of Brazil 2.0 from its infancy, i do not think it compares.

So NL you better come out with all these great features so that i do not look more of a jackass than what i might already be.

[jespi]

To sunlightrocker: Are you sure you bet? I acept your bet. Do you really think that maxwell 1.5 will have displacement, instance...... i think you are dreaming, but maybe i´m wrong(i hope).

Im just saying that if they dont, they have a very big problem.

Right now, FryRender is (in my opinion) a much better renderer (on soooo many levels), and if NL dont make 1.5 better than Fry, then there is no reason for me to stay with Maxwell anymore. But if 1.5 is better than Fry, then there is no reason for me to learn a new renerer. So, the future will tell.

// Tobias

I´m full agree with you, and like you i´m waiting to the realise of maxwell 1.5 and if displacement and instance are not implemented within 1.5 i´ll jump to fry.

Cheers!

[JTB]

To sunlightrocker: Are you sure you bet? I acept your bet. Do you really think that maxwell 1.5 will have displacement, instance...... i think you are dreaming, but maybe i´m wrong(i hope).

Im just saying that if they dont, they have a very big problem.

Right now, FryRender is (in my opinion) a much better renderer (on soooo many levels), and if NL dont make 1.5 better than Fry, then there is no reason for me to stay with Maxwell anymore. But if 1.5 is better than Fry, then there is no reason for me to learn a new renerer. So, the future will tell.

// Tobias

We all have to admit that the progress of Fryrender is impressive... BUT I don't think it is a better renderer than Maxwell...
I think fryrender is a better application... I mean, Maxwell is a better renderer, (better math, better results, better core engine) but fryrender has more working features, important ones, like correct sunlight, displacement, etc.
There are features that we are jealous of, but I guess some of them are jealous of multilight for example.
That said, I must declare for the 1001 time that I would never change Maxwell unless it is 100% necessary.

I think that all this happens because of the big delay and the wrong marketing policy of NL.
What has to be done IMHO is :
1. Release dates have always to be exact.
2. Serious Advertisement has to be done at least 20 days before, with samples and features list.
3. Features are either fully working (except rare cases) or they don't exist... Semi-working features are simply bugs.
4. Find a balance between fancy and important features.
5. Have main release numbers for the important upgrades and small patches for correcting errors or adding something not important.
...Just some that I can think of

[zoppo]

but I guess some of them are jealous of multilight for example.

i don't think so - theirs is called "Animated Layer Blending" ...

1.5 is an important step in my decision whether to stay with mw or to change to fry too - but as it has been said, mw's picture quality is superior imho.

therefore i'd really like to have a good release 1.5, so i can stay ...

[VisualImpact]

Just by reading the Fry Render Manual

That manual is sooo out of date, just for your info.

scene have the look of an Alpha in ~.

Maxwell alphas rocked.

but I guess some of them are jealous of multilight for example.

they have this and imho it's way more advanced.

[jespi]

People who have used both render engines said that layer blending works a lot better than multilight and for me the last fry images has very high quality al least for me.