[JTB]

Maybe there will never be a 1.2, maybe a RS2 will be ready soon... THAT would be PERFECT, even if we should pay a small amount, don't you think?

You must be kidding, don't you?

It depends on what "small amount" means for NL.

Actually, if we solve 90% of our problems with RS2 I would accept some extra fee for NL.
You have to understand that Maxwell is working OK. Maybe with not all the features we've been promised (that's why we don't pay for up to release 1.99) but we know from the start that RS2 will be a completely other engine. So, what do you prefer? Having 3 updates of RS1 and still have to buy a new top-Ghz computer, or paying something extra and get RS2 (if it will be the final solution to speed and noise problems)?

Just an opinion, after all, you can see from my signature that .....

[Mihai]

And nobody is asking for the whole strategy to be unveiled.

Well, when I read "I want a roadmap", that's what I thought the meaning of roadmap means A roadmap tells you what and approximately when something will appear.

If that's not what you are looking for, then what exactly? You think often requested features will never be added? Use your judgement. There is no point in using every news thread to critique what hasn't been mentioned. That's why I say to use your judgement and discuss the new info, not what hasn't been said. If news of a new Maya plugin comes out, it makes little sense to critique in that thread, why haven't they also said something about another plugin.

It's just my crazy idea of keeping posts on topic, I don't know, maybe it's too much to ask. If I see news of a Maya plugin, I don't post "yeah but what about an XSI plugin, what about shift lens, what about....". You are asking questions which at best would give a vague answer, which ofcourse would lead to even more questions, so I'd ask myself, what is the point?

[Leonardo]

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Are you guys planning to ma ke another "MAJOR" update to the SketchUp plugin... or what we just got not too long ago was "it"


I won't get upset I just want to know!!

leo

[thomas lacroix]

i'm kinda tired to hear from you mihai in short, "your not happy with maxwell speed, go buy a computer" since 2 years, not to mention that it would mean the need to buy another maxwell licence,
we'll see what the futur bring, we've got more and more choice on the cinema side ( which wasnt the case at the time)

for others, sure interior renders at 2k takes time but i'm around 3 to 8 hours with others renderer not 20h, but still, maxwell got that extraspark of light, thats why i'm still expecting at least some speedup and maybe some old announced feature, such has displacement, fog, sky, baking and whatever i could have forgoten ...

[KRZ]

happy happy happy!

[Mihai]

i'm kinda tired to hear from you mihai in short, "your not happy with maxwell speed, go buy a computer" since 2 years,

You're tired?

Did you stop and think for a minute that other people, not just me, are also pretty tired of hearing "maxwell is great, but it's useless"? How do you expect others to react who just happen to browse this forum looking for useful info to respond to that? Think a bit what you post as well....

I respond to you in disagreement, if you keep posting the same stuff, I will still disagree with you, you're not the only one that's tired, believe me. Again, use your own judgement. You think I'm disagreeing with you that in every possible render situation, Maxwell is not suited? Ofcourse not. But in many situations, for many people, even for interiors, it does very well for them, and they are also pretty tired of hearing how it's not usable and seeing arguments like this which are completely pointless, and which add the "threat" that if Maxwell doesn't get faster, there are competitors in terms of speed. So you mean there are other renderers out there that render faster than Maxwell, and some prefer that? Was this your point?

If it was then maybe it's about time to think, that people don't want to hear anymore "maxwell is good but i can do this faster in another renderer, and that's what is important to me". Fine, we get it. How many times have we had these kinds of discussions? When will it be enough?

Since alpha, Maxwell has gotten pretty substantial speed increases, but apparently not enough for some people. This doesn't mean NL stops here, is that really what you think? If they can do it they WILL do it.

[sampson]

for what its worth i was pleased to see the newsletter & it was great to see how the maya plugin performs, even though am a max user.

if one spends too much time considering and complaining about the perceived failures then you'll leave no time for honing your skills on the successful aspects of the software...

[thomas lacroix]

i'm kinda tired to hear from you mihai in short, "your not happy with maxwell speed, go buy a computer" since 2 years,

You're tired?

Did you stop and think for a minute that other people, not just me, are also pretty tired of hearing "maxwell is great, but it's useless"? How do you expect others to react who just happen to browse this forum looking for useful info to respond to that? Think a bit what you post as well....

sure, i do most of the time , i tried to always be specific mentioning that maxwell was great and work great in most case
( with a downside on c4d plug workflow ), and for other user looking for hints at least they can hear different rings of bell...

I respond to you in disagreement, if you keep posting the same stuff, I will still disagree with you, you're not the only one that's tired, believe me. Again, use your own judgement.

i am using my own judgement, and base that one on tests i did with hard condition light test for any render since 2 years , i mean complexes interiors render with mostly small indirect lights, thus far i can render things with maxwell but cannot afford the luxury of waiting that long for,, even with a dual dual opteron

You think I'm disagreeing with you that in every possible render situation, Maxwell is not suited? Ofcourse not. But in many situations, for many people, even for interiors, it does very well for them, and they are also pretty tired of hearing how it's not usable and seeing arguments like this which are completely pointless, and which add the "threat" that if Maxwell doesn't get faster, there are competitors in terms of speed. So you mean there are other renderers out there that render faster than Maxwell, and some prefer that? Was this your point?

no i wont insult your intelligence, i know your aware of pros and con using maxwell, my point is that maxwell , at the time it was introduced for the c4d community, had been the only alternative to maxon Ar render, and even represented the possibility to beat vray quality in term of perceived realism by clients ( who for the vast majority doesnt care much yet if its wavelenght accurate)

by now we currently have access to AR, maxwell render, indigo, final render and vray is coming, the point is, its a business, deadline are shortening, budget is shortening, so meanwhile the quality could be better/unbiased ( maxwell ) i dont have the luxury to wait that long for a render, but we have had that conversation several times...

If it was then maybe it's about time to think, that people don't want to hear anymore "maxwell is good but i can do this faster in another renderer, and that's what is important to me". Fine, we get it. How many times have we had these kinds of discussions? When will it be enough?

as long as i see the buy a computer, or wait for the next proc that render stuff a zillion time faster arguments

Since alpha, Maxwell has gotten pretty substantial speed increases, but apparently not enough for some people. This doesn't mean NL stops here, is that really what you think? If they can do it they WILL do it.

i hope they will succeed, meanwhile i still have to find solutions to suit my workflow and work condition

[Mihai]

Do yo read that in the two previous posts? I don't. Can you stick on what we have written Mihaï. I don't see any comment of you relating to the problem of the features.

I responded to Thomas post. Individually. "We have written"?

Sorry Mihaï, but for one happy there's 9 unhappy, at least, when it comes to complex interior scenes. That's a fact. Nobody told us we had to buy a renderfarm and extra licenses to go under 20h for a render at 2500x1000. I don't see it advertised anywhere.

Well, we have already 8 cores with our initial purchase. Yes Maxwell is slow for certain scenes, but me, I prefer it, even if it is slower than other renderers. So do other people, on this particular forum. There was a thread posted before asking people if they were happy with Maxwell. To the surprise of the thread starter more people than expected responded that they liked it. How unfortunate...

So I'm not as certain as you that it is a "fact" and I would consider it arrogant to be so certain and to always speak on behalf of "we".

Again, this is not a problem of speed only, for godsake.

I responded to Thomas, not "we".

And please, never forget that you know more than us and you have more under your hand than we have. So could you be a little less arrogant with average user ?

Wait a minute, you seem to be under the impression that you can be how arrogant you want and say what you want, and it's ok, because you're a customer, but when I don't like what you say, I'm arrogant when I reply? I'm a customer as well and I speak for myself, my opinion is just as valid as yours, you have the right to be annoyed and so have I. What if I start a thread "My name is u.big"? Would that be considered arrogant, or that I'm mocking you, by your standards?

Btw, I'm talking to you now, not "we". I've already responded to a PM from Maya69 without getting annoyed at each other.

[b-kandor]

I'm curious: just what do you think is going to change by constantly agitating on the point the for you, in your circumstance, mr is too slow? It's seems to me that you somehow think that by filling up threads with multiple posts complaining that 'maxwell is great, but I need it to be faster or have more features or whatever' that suddenly some miracle of mathematics and computing is goingto occur somewhere in Spain and all these programmers will smack their foreheads and say 'why didn't we think of this sooner - we need to make it faster - can't believe we didn't think of this"

Do you somehow believe that nextlimit is intentionally making maxwell slow? Your complaints are weak and ultimately pointless. The math for 'this' type of rendering requires a certain amount of processing power - it's reality, not a conspiracy. I suggest that if your disgruntled then email nextlimit, because, like Mihai and others the endless threads about 'maxwell is good but 20 hours on a single machine is too long - I wont accept it blah blah blah' are very tiring.

[Mihai]

Ok Thomas, lets not continue this, please. I get annoyed as well, just like everybody else. If somebody is trying to put me on a pedestal just so they can knock me down, let them play if that amuses them.

By using your judgement, I ment in general regarding this particular forum, the comments that really aren't helpful in any technical way, or help improve the development speed or direction. Contrary to what others say this is a very tolerant forum, on others half of the "entertaining" threads would be immediately closed. That's why we, the users, should use our own judgement and think a bit about if it's worth continuing certain topics that have been discussed a thousand times before.

[thomas lacroix]

i didnt meant to be harmfull in anyway, just giving my POV, and express it, just to let you know that the "get some more proc, mobo whatever" was as boring as our own complains about speed issues could be

so i'll manage not to complain far more and still get on touch on whats going on the forum, so maybe should you manage not to use the next mobo/proc argument, seems fair and resonable for me

[giacob]

logic of the vendor... the fault is always your .....not of the product.... the product is always up to scratch.. or with some minor fault...
here we are not talking about a product.. maxwell is almost a religion for somebody ....so things are even worse...
.. but this is maxwell forum so.. maxwell hurrà

[cali3d]

The Maya implementation looks brilliant -- its hard to wait now!!

[Calico Jack]

I don´t give a damn about those plugins. Less noise and 64bit upgrade are all I need at the moment. I´ve used MR Studio from the beginning and I´m happy with it. Some people says that it´s too slow - is it - how?

Just finish that 64bit version as soon as possible and do something for that noise issue - thats all I ask