[Frances]

That's a great idea Brian.

[ETA] Could someone with Maxwell 2.0 try to replicate tom's results?

[Bubbaloo]

That's a great idea Brian.

[ETA] Could someone with Maxwell 2.0 try to replicate tom's results?

Tom has posted the MXS, so just an "open and render" should be all that is needed.

[alexxx_95]

Brian I think you should add in the same CGtalk post, the second Tom's glass frosted challenge , with the red frosted glass one.So we will have a challenge with a real photo reference.

ALex

[simmsimaging]

If to you quality is equal to accuracy, then so be it, but it's not the same for everyone.

This is true and I don't expect it to be either.

Besides: accurate to what exactly? You yourself set the target goalpost as the Jensen image.

Jensen's dragon was the best frosted glass render I've seen until rendering it with Maxwell. So, it deserved to appear as a benchmark. If you know any better, please let me know. Meanwhile, Frances said I should better do it with a reference photo and it's also done.

Vray result was "nothing close to the real thing at all" is also pretty silly and very obviously false from where I'm sitting.

It's not Vray but maybe your attempt. Because, I saw a better attempt of this scene with Vray already. Although, it totally depends on your magic-skills in using the engine. So, I can roughly say everybody else will not be able to produce it closely like you do.

Seriously Tom: if you would just stick to something actually defensible and sensible you wouldn't have to keep dancing around and changing your story to support an untenable position (i.e first you say that it's Vray, and not me, and now you say it's me, and not Vray, or my example was a good rep for Vray, and now you say that I'm providing a poor example and that you have seen better out of Vray etc. etc.) Just give it up dude.

If you stick to something simple, like: "I think Maxwell is giving a better result because it's more physically accurate" then you wouldn't have to pull so much out of your butt and probably no one would argue that point.

No one has argued that Maxwell doesn't do a good job of this stuff, and I don't recall anyone saying that another engine could do it better (I only said I thought Vray could do better than the example shown for it). The only arguing people are doing is against the nonsense that has been added to the discussion that is, from my viewpoint, weakening your position, not helping it.

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[simmsimaging]

That's a great idea Brian.

[ETA] Could someone with Maxwell 2.0 try to replicate tom's results?

Tom has posted the MXS, so just an "open and render" should be all that is needed.

Nope, no good. Since Tom has several times made a point about how easy it is with Maxwell and, for example, that Vray quality is dependent on "magic" user settings then it's only fair to start from the same point as everyone else. Rusteberg already showed that matching Tom's output was by no means automatic and easy. Fran's request is a very valid one IMO.

Really, until guys like Chema or Vlado or Allan at Luxology feel like getting involved you should compare a user's dragon to other user's dragons.

b

[tom]

Brett, your input is located on the comparison table. I made my own comment and you didn't like it, that's fine. Nobody has to think alike... The table itself is clear, it doesn't have personal comments on it.

[Frances]

rusteberg also did a vray version, how will you accomdate multiple entries? How will you decide which should go on the chart? It seems to me that his attempt is higher quality than Brett's (sorry Brett!).

tom, what SL did you take the dragon to?

[tom]

rusteberg also did a vray version, how will you accomdate multiple entries? How will you decide which should go on the chart? It seems to me that his attempt is higher quality than Brett's (sorry Brett!).

Yes, that's a good point. As I said, I also have another vray version in hand. So, I think I should post all entries on the table.

tom, what SL did you take the dragon to?

It's SL22.

[zdeno]

Tom has posted the MXS, so just an "open and render" should be all that is needed.

???? realy ???? where is that ???? show me the way

[Bubbaloo]

Tom has posted the MXS, so just an "open and render" should be all that is needed.

???? realy ???? where is that ???? show me the way

Never mind, it's an obj and fbx only. My bad.

[simmsimaging]

......The table itself is clear, it doesn't have personal comments on it.

fair enough.

also did a vray version, how will you accomdate multiple entries? How will you decide which should go on the chart? It seems to me that his attempt is higher quality than Brett's (sorry Brett!).

No worries I made no attempt to improve anything anyway, just to swap the lumigon for a vray light and match the roughness and reflection of the material. If it can be better done or has been done then cool. I still think Maxwell will do the best job of it in the long run, but most of the others will provide "production adequate" results too

B

[Frances]

rusteberg also did a vray version, how will you accomdate multiple entries? How will you decide which should go on the chart? It seems to me that his attempt is higher quality than Brett's (sorry Brett!).

Yes, that's a good point. As I said, I also have another vray version in hand. So, I think I should post all entries on the table.

tom, what SL did you take the dragon to?

It's SL22.

Cheers.

[Bubbaloo]

Hey Tom, we have a Thea render. Check this link:
http://www.thearender.com/forum/viewtop ... 430#p23430

If you add it to the chart, I'll update the CGSociety page.

[tom]

Tom has posted the MXS, so just an "open and render" should be all that is needed.

???? realy ???? where is that ???? show me the way

Never mind, it's an obj and fbx only. My bad.

Sorry for the delay, here's the scene (now also attached to the first post):
http://www.fileden.com/files/2009/5/30/ ... dragon.rar

[tom]

Hey Tom, we have a Thea render. Check this link:
http://www.thearender.com/forum/viewtop ... 430#p23430

If you add it to the chart, I'll update the CGSociety page.

Thanks, Brian! Please find the updated image (full size) in the first page.

Btw, I found Thea result great. Respect and cheers to notareal from Thea Support, thanks for your contribution!