[zdeno]

this is a specific way to make evil in this world.

make some usefull soft - sell this with resonable price, with normal license conditions - gather a bilion devoted user - and with another release force them to kill two persons according to licencing politic, or just to pay for every one rendernode , whatever.

[JDHill]

gather a bilion devoted user - and with another release force them to kill two persons according to licencing politic, or just to pay for every one rendernode , whatever.

Force them? How? Tell me about even one time when a software company has ever forced you to do anything. If you don't think you are going to make money with a product, then just don't buy it. Simple, isn't it?

[Fernando Tella]

If the software is addictive...

[zdeno]

Force them? How? Tell me about even one time when a software company has ever forced you to do anything. If you don't think you are going to make money with a product, then just don't buy it. Simple, isn't it?

One of them is trying now.

Buy 8 rendercores, base your all workflow on one software, earn money for living with this. suddenly to not be off the market you have to upgrade sometimes BUT NO !! 8 cores costs about 2000 euros. and others laugh about this paing 500$ for e.g. vray upgrades with 10 rendernodes free.
finnally get this comment from company like one above - DOH! Pricelless

[JDHill]

No company is forcing you to do anything - you seem to use words as if they were meaningless. If you think the pricing is out of line, then great - don't buy the product. But, don't say ridiculous things and try to make it sound like you have no choice. You do.

As I have made a living for the last few years working with the company that runs this forum, it is in my interest that you would NOT buy their product if you think the price is wrong. I have no part in determining price, but it is obviously important to me that it be done correctly, and your buying or not buying is the only way anyone will ever know that - if it is too expensive and you still buy it, you are sending a false signal and this will ultimately hurt the company. If, on the other hand, the price is reasonable, when compared to the profit you will generate using the product, then by not purchasing, you will not be hurting the company, but only yourself. Here again, the decision is entirely yours, and it is fundamentally important to all involved that this be the case.


@Fernando: yep...I'm in that boat.

[zdeno]

so as I said many times on this forum , I will buy 2.0 when price is resonable. Some bundle or christmas promotion.
I agree with you with this. Buing with too high price is hurting for two sides of this equation.
If company see someone bought It thinks everything is fine, and don't lower prices, but maybe when company lower prices just tinny bit or give 3 rendernodes free they will sell 5 times more licenses. But this is all marketing stuff so let's MARKET to decide.

but what is annoing - I have some sort of deal with NL (license agreement) 1+1 license (second one is free) (nicole and others will shout I have 8 , but NO! I have 2).
Suddenly this all agreement is far much more bad for me. I am not familliar with this kind of biznes. All life when I get upgrade it is CHEAPER and give me MORE FEATURES. But there is whole thing stood on head. I can get "fixed maxwell" with IES and thin SSS but what price I have to pay !! this is insane, so I am still on this "rusty, buged, 1.7.1 (Bubbaloo watch!) but still great engine, and waiting for REAL MARKET to force NL to wake up.

Someone on this forum pointed it very accurate.
You have free rendernodes with engines that don,t need this (Vray)
But when You HAVE TO have w few QUADCores on board to work with a sign of comfort YOU HAVE TO PAY for ever single one.
Come on!!

I am aware what I am saying and my words are meaningfull I am just one of this waterdrops which finally crush rocks. and when posts like this will fall constantly NL will understood mistake.

and about easiness of NOT to buy. This is funny, many users have ton,s of materials , setups studios, scenes in .mxs and You want them to be happy to relocate on mental ray or fry to not stood still with OLD software? (just look for Hyltom, he is great example (sorry Hyltom for pointing finger at You))

I suppose NL codes in C++ so just imagine , someone just invented C+++ (6 times faster <lol> and rock solid stable) BUT you have to pay 40.000 $ for license and 15.000$ for every little PC for Your crew , so what ? would You be happy ? would You dare NOT to buy this ?
would You just do FAST FLIP to Java ? or PASCAL ? try to be in my shoes. From this side of LCD it is not so easy as You wrote

hogwh

[JDHill]

Your scenario is only hypothetical in its magnitude, for example:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/subscri ... chart.aspx
http://qt.nokia.com/products/pricing
http://www.microsoft.com/expression/pro ... er=studio3

Some of those tools I use, others I do not. The third one, I bought just last week - I did not need to do so, but I think it will pay off for our SketchUp users in the form of a much more user-friendly plugin UI. I could have decided to use simple HTML (and therefore had an extra $600 to spend on myself) as other plugins for that application do, but I choose to use a more modern and capable technology, and therefore require the proper tools to do so. Now, I think the price is steep, but should I have chosen this time to protest Microsoft's policy? I don't think so.

[zdeno]

Great examples, everywhere upgrade costs from 35%-to 65% of regular price.

with maxwell if you have 4 PC (You bought it to work with maxwell) upgrade costs too much (over 1000 euros) with 8 PCs it is about 1800 euros or more.

If upgrade of standard license will arrive with 3 free license nodes everything would be allright it could cost over to 550 euros.

I understand point of NL's point of view but I am trying to fight for lower prices, that is my right, maybe I just use too radical words .

[Fernando Tella]

I agree. When NL changed cores for licenses, the value (not the price) of one full license was reduced. If I were a new customer I had to pay four times the price for the same service (more or less, as cores are not PCs).

[JDHill]

Maybe so, depending on your view, but there was only one reason I replied in this thread, and that was to say that nobody is forced to do anything, let alone 'kill two persons' - I wouldn't expect an unnecessarily extreme comment like to go unchecked if I made it. On the actual issue of value, I hardly ever get the chance to actually use Maxwell for work anymore, and as a developer, I obviously don't have to pay to use V2, but were that not the case, I'd still buy it as I did with V1 - I've been using it a long time now through the development process and I know that the improved speed and quality, along with the changes to the material system (stacked layers and layer masks alone are enough to hook me) would make it pay for itself fairly quickly. As they say though, your mileage may vary...

[Fernando Tella]

Corel's Paint Shop Pro Phto X2 is quite good and very cheap:

http://store.corel.com/webapp/wcs/store ... &langId=-5

[tom]

Corel's Paint Shop Pro Phto X2 is quite good and very cheap

Comparing to? Photoshop? ... AFAIK it has no CMYK support, so even if it was free that's truly incomplete for professional use.

Edit: Oh, I see they've added CMYK and 16 bits support, too. Cool! I will give it another try.

Edit #2: OK, I tried and still no luck in editing CMYK. It just gives you a channel separation support, not editing in CMYK on the fly. Total crap...

Although you cannot create images in Corel Paint Shop Pro Photo using the CMYK model, you can produce color separations that can be printed on CMYK printers.

[Fernando Tella]

As Glebe Digital, I'm a RGB guy too.

[zdeno]

RGB positive

[tom]

RGB or CMYK is not a choice of your own and they are not preferable to each other. If you're into offset printing you have no other chance.