[yolk]

hi all of you who run their own company

since our website is updated the flood of job applications is rising again. and it's flattering that they want to work with us...but..what do you write to a guy who's portfolio is simply horrible and who's future job will be asking 'would you like to have fries with that?'
i mean i designed some utter crap in my life too - too many times..but i won't sell it as smth marvelous.
i so badly want to publish a book: 'most horrible design job application from the swamps - in 3D!'

so far i can say out of 100 applications 20 do have the skills to do the job..out of these 20 only 2 are actually fun to be/work with. 100:2

what's your experience?

[ivox3]

Statistically speaking, your numbers are right in alignment with universal results -- that being, at the end of life, 5 out of 100 people will be perceived/self-perceived as successful. IMO, your just seeing a real-time action of this-- ie., a reflection, ..an example.

Bigger question is why is this so ? Why do some people have the awareness and some don't ? And that awareness pertains to being conscious of their personal projection to others, their work, their influence etc etc etc..

This image says a lot of about the topic. That is my answer.

Write the book. But you won't. Because your awareness is too high..
You know that would cause someone embarassment and pain, ..so it's moot for you, but for someone with less awareness, no problem, they'd write the book.

[glebe digital]

Very interesting concept on dimminishing returns Mr Ivox...........

In the 90s I used to run the 3d dept in a large london design co, I would say 85% [+- 5%] of portfolios I saw were totally dire.
I only employed one guy in the end, for the rest of the dept I resorted to hand-picking people already working at the Co and trained them up.......not sure what the other department heads thought about it though.

[yolk]

rereading what i wrote i think i might come off as a jerk. i do want everybody to succeed and get a job..but some of the portfolios are really bad.
and i repeat again - some of my stuff is awful too..but i can cook, and my voice impression of the letter B from sesame street is awesome

[jvanmetre]

yolk-

I'm glad you clarified that...seemed a bit out of your digital character. People are scrambling for work here in the US...I suspect it may be similar where you are.

I have no idea what you are seeing in terms of portfolios or skills and at what level they need to be at...it seems that someone with a horrible portfolio probably hasn't had the time to develop and that some positive encouragement could be given out at very little cost.

I would say to anyone who is in a position to hire...have you ever benefited from encouragement and do you remember when?

jvm

[Fernando Tella]

Usually there's a big difference between what we think we are, what we really are and what we would like to be.

[glebe digital]

yolk-

I'm glad you clarified that...seemed a bit out of your digital character. People are scrambling for work here in the US...I suspect it may be similar where you are.

I have no idea what you are seeing in terms of portfolios or skills and at what level they need to be at...it seems that someone with a horrible portfolio probably hasn't had the time to develop and that some positive encouragement could be given out at very little cost.

I would say to anyone who is in a position to hire...have you ever benefited from encouragement and do you remember when?

jvm

Also pays to be brutally honest though, I don't believe it does anyone any harm to hear the truth.
As for encouragement, whenever I've seen raw talent it's the first thing I do every time.

[ivox3]

rereading what i wrote i think i might come off as a jerk. i do want everybody to succeed and get a job..but some of the portfolios are really bad.
and i repeat again - some of my stuff is awful too..but i can cook, and my voice impression of the letter B from sesame street is awesome

When your sincere your being as objective as you can be from that place and that shouldn't be misconstrued as anything other than that. I detected no jerkyness.. lol.

You saw, you reported .. done. You can't save the world, but like jvanmetre said .. encouragement goes a long way. Nudging people with a hint of advice from a place of authorithy is remembered, it has unseen dividends.

Your in a dilemma really ... what if every application you received was top notch and every personality attached was someone totally exciting, fun, super smart, interesting and super hot (lol).. ? You'd still have to kill someone, in fact, many.

Be grateful for all the 'horrible' ones making it an easier process.. <wink wink>

The larger truth to all of this is that people get what they deserve, not when they deserve it, but when they believe they deserve it. They believe it, so they make all the necessary adjustments(because now they're aware) to be in alignment with whatever it is they believe to therefore make it TRUE, ..because they believe it ! Those who don't get it will just repeat. It is totally silly, but people are silly. It's the spiral, .. when your closer to the center you have less company, but on the periphery there is congestion.

Your friendly neighborhood spiderman.

[Maximus3D]

I can't say i have experienced recieving alot of jobapplications. However i have sent out a bunch of horrible jobapplications ..and i still do. You're next on my list yolk

/ Max

[yolk]

Be grateful for all the 'horrible' ones making it an easier process.. <wink wink>

You're next on my list yolk

[yolk]

i just received ivox's very minimal job application - awesome!

[Mihai]

Why the popularity of artistic professions? Perhaps in other professions such as doctor, physicist, lawyer, mathematician, historian....you need some specific skills/intelligence/commitment, which are clearer for people they don't have. In artistic professions however, everybody is special, it's not a matter of skill or talent it seems, but "personal vision" which unfortunately obscures the fact that it may just not be the right path for a profession. Self expression could be an art in it self I guess, but don't make a profession of it

[ivox3]

Sorry yolk ... gotta come clean here -- that was a big giant lie.

Here's my honest submission:


Remember though, .. I'm the best damn coffee boy you'll ever have.


Mihai... that's true in a practical sense.

Still, ..self-expression is the highest art. Historically speaking, we all know that self-expression in those fields (medicine, math, physics etc..) has been discouraged to a large degree. Yet I find it ironic that in all the fields where pragmatism rules, the ones who broke the rules by being expressive were the ones who produced the most significant work to the world at large. And to further the irony, that which those people study is the very system that allows for infinite expression, yet they tend to confine their studies in a narrow way ??? -- So now what?

By the way, ..those pragmatic principles are changing as we speak to make room for deeper explorations of expression -- it has to or it dies as a study, and nobody want$ that. lol..

[Hervé]

very strange.

[ivox3]

Like a melting vase ?