[simmsimaging]

It's the same all over really. Sometimes you can get money up front, most of the time you can't and even then it's not foolproof either. I have clients agree to pay "advances" and I'm often still waiting for those cheques when the job is done and am ready to bill the balance. You just have to live with it most of the time, but I do have a hard-line policy that all jobs over "x" dollars require a 50% advance, and I only waive that for exceptional clients. If anyone else doesn't want to pay it then I take a walk - there's only so much I'm prepared to risk. Another option that works for some people is the 30/30/40 split (advance, on delivery, terms). It's another viable way to go with clients you are not sure about.

Bottom line is that this is a risk you take on every job - and there is only so much you can do. That dodgy asset shifting crap is precisely why I hate dealing with corporations or limited companies of any kind.

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[adri]

If it were up to me then I would go down the small claims route. It's not that much hassle and you have the satisfaction of making the buggers pay up.

It really isn't that much hassle.

Adri

[w i l l]

If it were up to me then I would go down the small claims route. It's not that much hassle and you have the satisfaction of making the buggers pay up.

It really isn't that much hassle.

Adri

Making a club promoter whos on the run and doesn't have a fixed address turn up to court is virtually impossible let alone getting him to pay up. That's why its hassle. If i was legally/technically doing work for the club and not just the promoter then it might be easier... but i'm not sure on the technicalities.

[JDHill]

Will, did you even read what I wrote before?

If I come to your house and steal something of yours, then sell it to someone else...it doesn't change the fact that it's stolen. Go after the club - either they have to quit using YOUR WORK (it's still yours!!!) or they have to pay you for it. Even if they quit using it today, you would still have a claim against all the time they've already been using it.

[Jeff Tamagini]

Exactly what JD said, If you cant find the Promoter go after the Club itself, they dont want legal trouble, clubs have enough constant pressure on them from law enforcement anyways. And who knows maybe they will turn out to be cool and want to use you for some new stuff

[w i l l]

Will, did you even read what I wrote before?

If I come to your house and steal something of yours, then sell it to someone else...it doesn't change the fact that it's stolen. Go after the club - either they have to quit using YOUR WORK (it's still yours!!!) or they have to pay you for it. Even if they quit using it today, you would still have a claim against all the time they've already been using it.

Yeah i did but thats what most people come up with... and if it was that easy i would have set up a small claims case already and i wouldn't be asking for advice.

Its so easy to say 'take the club to court' but that might not be legally right. The promoter wasn't employed by the club - he just put on the event there. I didn't do the work for the club - i did the work for the club night/event which is something entirely different... that relates to the promoter. So then I go after the promoter, but he's now not employed by the club and doesnt do that 'Funksta Boudoir' event any more so how do i find him?

This could go to court I would probably win but then what? How do you get money from someone when you don't know where they are (and they probably dont turn up to court in the first place)? Then you're left to pay court fees and baliff fees if you go down that route. Chasing the club would be relatively easy, but not chasing the promoter.

[Bubbaloo]

So they're not using your image anymore?

[w i l l]

Yeah of course 'they' are - take a look at those links. It was used for flyers.

BUT it's not 'they' which i'm trying to explain. Its the promoter who runs the clubbing event AKA 'Funksta Boudoir' that is using the work. 'Funksta Boudoir' is the name of the event - not the Club. The club is called Soho and would probably host 15 different events a months from 15 different promoters... who tend to be 18 year old pikey's not big shot club owners.

I.e. i shouldn't have done work for a promoter that i've never met before but i took that chance and it didn't work out. Obviously.

[KurtS]

Chasing the club would be relatively easy, but not chasing the promoter.

Then why don't you just chase the club? I don't get it...

Whos page is this:? http://www.myspace.com/funkstaboudoir

[w i l l]

Because the promoter isn't employed by the club - these promoters are just individuals who have some deal with the club to host an event there - i've done it loads of time myself - The promoter does the publicity and keeps the ticket money and the club/venue gets the bar takings and sometimes a percentage of the door money, but they aren't emploed by the club.

Therefore its probably not legally or technically right to chase the club (but then i don't know that as i can't afford a lawyer to find out/wouldn't be logical to get a lawyer for £200 case).

[w i l l]

Whos page is this:? http://www.myspace.com/funkstaboudoir

That's the page for the event i.e. the promoters page who i did the work for. NOT THE CLUB. I was emailing and also messaging him through that Myspace page.

[Jeff Tamagini]

ok now i get it Funksta Boudoir is a night at a club not an actual club, aka Friday night at Avalon in Boston is Avaland Sat night could be Funksta Boudoir and Funksta Boudoir could be at different clubs. In that case I am out of Ideas unless the guy worked for a club promotion company then you could talk with them even if its not the original person

[corneliu]

Will, I think the whole point is around the concept.
If this is their own registered trade mark it may be difficult to get attention for putting their logo in another context. You may have a lot of trouble to proof that you have done some art work for them.

On the other hand, If this is your own design and they did not register anything... and their business started to run well... they may need some papers to proof they own their trade mark.

[w i l l]

ok now i get it Funksta Boudoir is a night at a club not an actual club, aka Friday night at Avalon in Boston is Avaland Sat night could be Funksta Boudoir and Funksta Boudoir could be at different clubs. In that case I am out of Ideas unless the guy worked for a club promotion company then you could talk with them even if its not the original person

Yeah - as in Avaland feat Danny Howells @ Avalon.

[JDHill]

Ok, I see. I didn't have a good concept of what these entities were...sounds like most of this is pretty much in no-man's-land. I'd like to see the gov. revenue people trying to keep track of this stuff...lol.