[hyltom]

Today i met a very funny case. I had to make the rendering of a product in shiny black. So i took my best shiny plastic black material. On the final output, the black was looking awesome...like a totally new product just coming out from the production line. I sent the image to the marketing people and i got a funny comment that really scared me:

"The product is really nice looking but i believed it should be in PC not PP."

???...Even my eye can't make the difference between PC and PP when i see a real product. I have to touch and really examine the part to notice if it's PP or PC. I hate you maxwell, why do you make the product looking so realistic?

[f.tony.torres]

does pc = polycarnobate?
does pp = polypropylene?

How do you tell the difference?

[hyltom]

The PP(polypropylene) is more flexible, more soft than PC(polycarbonate) it's why by touching them you can easily feel the difference. But concerning the visual perception, it's not that easy to see the difference. PC is slightly more reflective than PP but it will depend a lot of the polishing quality of the mold. Generally, i will say that the PC color looks "deeper" while the PP color looks more "milky".

In every case such request is pointing the perfection...a good task for Mike

[Fernando Tella]

You should be honored. People around you starts thinking you are photographer.

[jjs]

I sent the image to the marketing people and i got a funny comment that really scared me:

"The product is really nice looking but i believed it should be in PC not PP."

I like it - but a man of your experience should know never to turn the light on in the marketing department, always keep them in the dark. Otherwise they will promise the Earth and then when the Earth is not delivered, it's never their fault.

You raise a vary serious problem - with Maxwell , people think the product has already been designed, even when it is a concept, and then when it tkaes along time to to do the detailled design work or haggle for budgets $$$$ - they just think one is being difficult: - because in their files they have a 'photograph' of the developement that is real.

Hence I ususally send out poor renderings from SW Photoworks with the edge lines superimposed on the image to make it clear its a concept.

Would be interested to know if Maxwell could render and image and then superinpose on it the 'triangle lines' very fiently as a quick post render process: that would take no time and be idiot proof - ie for someone like me to be able to do without having to get into photoshop etc.


Jonathan

[Eric Lagman]

Yes I have had that problem also showing maxwell. It baffles most marketing people. They just look at you with a blank stare when you tell them it is just a rendering that it has not been made yet. Its like the wheels are spinning overtime to understand what you mean. They say "but your showing me a picture right here what do you mean its not real" Usually in your case it just ends with something being said like "well just make it look like pc for the final presentation" Its like you are doing some kind of vooodoo with your computer to get them images like this.

Maxwell is a two edged sword in this respect. The product has become real right away. There was no concept to people when they see it. Until the industry shifts towards photoreal rendering as a whole we will have to keep explaining over and over what is going on. Right now I think maxwell type renderings are the exception not the rule when it comes to what goes in front of marketing and sales people. Thats good for us I think

[Bubbaloo]

The owner here keeps telling me to make my renderings more conceptual.
He said they look too real...
Maxwell rules.

[jjs]

The owner here keeps telling me to make my renderings more conceptual.
He said they look too real...
Maxwell rules.

He'll be doing that because if the design looks too real, then there it is more difficult explaining the fees required to do the design stage between concept and production. And less 'wiggle' room to change the design.

I have started also just putting in alot of reflective surfaces and 'gloss' on dummy objects in scene. - that gives a high contrast high impact conceptual look. Unfortunately pic are under NDA so can't post them.

Jonathan

[JDHill]

Yep...very rarely now, I don't code, but actually use Maxwell. When I need something, it's always for a product which already exists - but we don't have nice cameras or a studio. So Maxwell is my $400 camera (this is why I came here two years ago), and I've never had anyone ask whether my images were real or not - really, it's never occurred to anybody that they might not be, and I haven't had any reason to tell them otherwise.

[glypticmax]

Sorry to be off topic here.....
JD, isn't your avatar Zawinul?
What a magician he was.
I still have the Sweetnighter album I bought in '73.
And fortunately the CD so i can still listen to it.

[ivox3]

We're just on the cusp of a larger awareness or rather unawareness that is soon to catch up, ..ie., .. I don 't think it'll be long before people in general realize that seeing is not believing. Right now, .. you can still get over ... lol..

Look at the commercials on TV and film, ... people are being steady conditioned,... there's almost as much CG as I see in the forums ...


By the way, .. I'll also make the prediction that someday everyone will carry a personal communication device, ... with the exception of one Hervé ! lol...

[ivox3]

also: ... If I ever get my hands on pair of 32 core machines, ... I'm gonna quit work, ... model, animate and render the rest of my life photoreal, ... make a nice ending with a heroic death, .... post it on You Tube, ...chill for a year, ... resurrect myself and do the talk show circuit just to meet Oprah. lol...

[JDHill]

Oh, it's a pair of 32-cores now, eh?

Larry...sorry to disappoint, but it's nothing so cultured as that...it's Big Brother. You do love Big Brother, don't you? It's not enough that you obey - you must love him. He is doubleplusgood, you know.

[ivox3]

Admit it though, ... it has a nice ring ...

[b-kandor]

Just to add to comments:

I recently finished a product design and a full page ad was needed. The magazine only accepts 'photos' of existing products but bent the rule in this case because the renders I made in maxwell were so real looking.

Kudo's!