[Thomas An.]

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/39512

[deadalvs]

oh boy.

well, neither side has a prove for their theories.

[-Adrian]

heh

[simmsimaging]

Worth it just to read the headline.
:)

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[Maximus3D]

Hehe, religious people.. what to say, they get weirder and weirder for each day that passes by. Soon they think that clouds are God's puff's of smoke when he's smoking his pipe or something silly like that.

What bothers me is how they try to force stuff like this onto other people and schools, like that whole thing about the evolution theory. Hope they'll wake up one day in the real world.

/ Max

[zoppo]

just to get this clear - the onion is a satire magazin.
that said i agree with max.

LONG LIVE THE CHURCH OF THE FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER!

[Maximus3D]

Whoops! my mistake, i didn't check the source sorry guys.

/ Max

[Thomas An.]

just to get this clear - the onion is a satire magazin.

[Maxer]

What bothers me is how they try to force stuff like this onto other people and schools, like that whole thing about the evolution theory. Hope they'll wake up one day in the real world.

/ Max

You say they try and force their crazy ideas on people, but have you ever stopped and thought that they think the same thing about you. To a religious person evolution is a direct attack on their beliefs, but you say they are crazy because they don't believe what you do and they are wrong for wanting equal time to teach people what they believe. You say you want to be fair but when it comes down to it you just want to have your ideas represented with no opposition because your afraid people will begin to question what you teach. Is it not true that evolution is only a theory, that it has never been proven and that all the fossil evidence that has been produced to support the evolutionary theory has eventually been proven as a fake. I'm not going to sit here and say that gravity is God pushing things down but I don't think it's any stranger than someone telling me I came from a monkey when I've never seen any physical proof of it. Both of these views are theories and require equal faith from both sides to believe in them.

[misterasset]

To a religious person evolution is a direct attack on their beliefs...

I think that's the argument right there. I'm sure most people agree that things taught in school should be able to be backed up, or at least leaning toward scientific proof. They shouldn't be taught something that is simply a leap of faith. That is what church is for. And if people want to teach their kids that, that is 100% okay, but not in a public school that is funded by the state which has no official religion (although we can pretty much agree it's Christianity). Again, that's what schools run by churches are for.

(And before anybody attacks my grammar since I'm talking about teaching; yes I'm aware I ended several sentences with prepositions. It's just how I roll. )

[zoppo]

Is it not true that evolution is only a theory, that it has never been proven and that all the fossil evidence that has been produced to support the evolutionary theory has eventually been proven as a fake.

no, that's not true. and you should read what "theory" means in science. it has a very different meaning than in every day language.

things to be taught in school should be about knowing or at least about "as far as we know by now", and not about believing.
believing is the opposite of knowing and many many many people had and have to die because of believes and believers.

[Maxer]

I'd like to ask you if you think the social conditions in schools has gotten better since the church was removed or worse. You said that things taught in schools should be able to be backed up by science or fact. I agree with that so why is evolution taught as scientific fact when there is no physical evidence of it. If evolution does indeed occur, would there not be species that were in the middle of the evolutionary process where we could see that species A is definitely changing into species B? Wouldn’t there be overwhelming fossil evidence of this change all over the planet?

This is my definition of a theory and this is how evolution is presented but the fact still remains that it can't be observed, reproduced or tested.

"In science, a theory is a mathematical or logical explanation, or a testable model of the manner of interaction of a set of natural phenomena, capable of predicting future occurrences or observations of the same kind, and capable of being tested through experiment or otherwise falsified through empirical observation."

You could also say that evolution is a hypothesis but then again you run into the problem of not being able to test it. My point is that evolution takes just as much belief as believing in God does, neither can be observed or tested so why is your theory any better or more valid than the religious person?

[simmsimaging]

You could also say that evolution is a hypothesis but then again you run into the problem of not being able to test it. My point is that evolution takes just as much belief as believing in God does, neither can be observed or tested so why is your theory any better or more valid than the religious person?

Well... evolution does have more than one supporting document :)

Seriously though - this discussion is pointless. You can go on and on around it for either side, but until both sides have agreed upon standards of what constitutes rational evidence, never mind proof, it will go precisely nowhere. Based on points made already I'd say that is highly unlikely to occur so might as well let 'er slide.

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[Maxer]

Well... evolution does have more than one supporting document

b

I agree with you but I do want to say about the above comment that I can write anything down in a book and have it published but that doesn’t make it true. Without hard physical evidence that can prove your theory as truth all you have is an unproven theory.

[jeffg]

Darwinism is destine for the scrap heap of history...

"Darwin Still Rules, but Some Biologists Dream of a Paradigm Shift"

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/26/scien ... yt&emc=rss

"Transitions between species documented by the fossil record seemed to be abrupt, perhaps too abrupt to be explained by the modern synthesis."

Hmm...

"Most of the genes in this network can be removed, and the developing embryo finds a way to compensate. But these five core genes, which form what Davidson calls a kernel, cannot be modified: change any one of them and no embryo forms at all."


But backing the question up a bit - the universe had to come from somewhere. I believe God created it.