[b-kandor]

When our sun enters it's red giant phase it's diameter will grow considerably (close to our orbit) - unless we can figure out how to move it.

These guys give Neal a pretty rough ride:

http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=45836


But historically speaking -it's funny how scientists today are equally bellicose and moribund in their thought patterns to the same scientists years ago who argued against ....everything that was ever new. We can look back now and laugh at how uninformed and idiotic they were - but magically - it's different now because we 'really' know and have it all figured out.

(except for the expansion of the universe, dark matter, dark energy (I love these two), einsteins 'fudge factor' (cosmological constant), the pioneer anomaly and all the other workarounds)

I sent this link to my father-in-law who is a geologist (for 4.5 decades) - I'll see what he thinks!

Kandor

[glypticmax]

Thanks for that link!!
Very interesting stuff. The written words clog the pipes in my brain, but the vids and audio are enlightening.
I'm sending it over to my brother-in-law, a so-called "civil engineer". Licensed, no less.
Although I don't know what's so "civil" about engineering parking lots, strip malls, gas stations and 7-11's.

[trofaster]

Neal Adams, who is a cartoonist by the way, have picked up the theory from this guy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Warren_Carey

who started off advocating continental drift, thought better of it, and invented the expanding earth theory. Ironically the scientific environment seems to find the first part of his work fantastic, and the second part heretic.

[droid42]

PS. I find it had to believe that the smaller (young) version of a planet would have less gravity (the mass must be the same and so should the gravity)

Indeed ... a smaller planet with the same mass (assumption) would most likely exert a greater gravitational pull on surface objects (e.g. hungry T-Rex's). As an extreme example, imagine how weak the gravity at the surface of a 1 billion mile diameter Earth would be compared to a golf-ball sized earth of equal mass. The integral of mass/d-squared would be much greater for the smaller planet.

Perhaps that's why the dinosuars all died out ... from tiredness and early-onset arthritis?

Ian.

[Thomas An.]

But historically speaking -it's funny how scientists today are equally bellicose and moribund in their thought patterns to the same scientists years ago who argued against ....everything that was ever new. We can look back now and laugh at how uninformed and idiotic they were - but magically - it's different now because we 'really' know and have it all figured out.

Well said !
Sometimes a virgin outsider imagination can see a better picture of the forest.
Keeping an open mind is key. If the theory has some plausibility, then it should be entertained. The main problem may be "ego". If we have a group of scientists who have spent decades of research and have multiple PhDs it may be hard to convince them that a layperson cartoonist may have made an observation that could be plausible. The tendency is to react like: "We should have thought of that already and if we haven't, then it must be wrong" Besides, it is not easy to tell someone that his 20year research work might be down the tubes.

[mverta]

They (the establishment/church at the time) set Bruno on fire, and locked Galileo up in his house for the rest of his life for suggesting the Earth wasn't the center of the universe. And they were astronomers. If you think the intellectual/ruling/educational communities have matured a single iota in the last thousand years, you're fooling yourself. We're not learning anything; the ignorance bracket is just sliding.

_Mike

[glypticmax]

[quote="trofaster"]Neal Adams, who is a cartoonist by the way....


Ok, OK, Now I now how he got those planetary pictures to fit together so nicely.
Those Photo Shop/animation guys are *so* talented.
Time to get back to my PB&J and Kool Aid snack.

[mtripoli]

They (the establishment/church at the time) set Bruno on fire, and locked Galileo up in his house for the rest of his life for suggesting the Earth wasn't the center of the universe. And they were astronomers. If you think the intellectual/ruling/educational communities have matured a single iota in the last thousand years, you're fooling yourself. We're not learning anything; the ignorance bracket is just sliding.

_Mike

Dead on... dead on...

[Mihai]

But getting back on topic

If he's not a fan of the theory that the planets formed from debris into clumps, the earth expanded to what it is today. Why did the planets form in such irregular sizes? Jupiter would have needed to be just a bit bigger to become another star.

How did the planets form according to him?

[ricardo]

In that guest movie the guy states that this throws out the window 100 years of science, dumps everything... well that was over!!!!!

The movies really make sense, but it's not the key to merging general relativity and quantum mechanics... or sending them to the dumpster...

He lost me there...

Ricardo