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By deadalvs
#209801
guys' n' girls....


do You hear that ? hear it ?


that's the silence before the storm ...
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By Mihai
#209804
Stress. We all know what it means right? If your client expects you to do incredible work overnight, because after all, the software does it for you, it makes your work so much better doesn't it?......

I'd just like to give my opinion on this communication issue and also on the development.

On development, it is hopefully clear that as you add features to a software, the release cycle of that software will not be the same as it was in that softwares alpha days. With more features added, you have to make sure those new features work correctly together and there are also a greater number of bugs that need to be fixed. With every new feature added, since you are adding it to a more complex construction, you have to be more careful how you add it, and test it thoroughly. It takes more time. Some new features although seemingly simple have a profound impact on how the rest works.

You also have two groups of people, one inclined to see more features as soon as possible, the other wants the developer to first concentrate on fixing existing ones. In reality you can't concentrate exclusively on one group. So in each update you will see a mix of the two.

On communication. Ofcourse the wishlist and bugs are being looked at, many wishes make perfect sense and they would be a great addition to Maxwell. These things don't go unnoticed, neither do the bugs and I hope that's pretty clear from the recent improvements in many of the plugins, and the continued support.

I mean how much reassurance is necessary? I think now we are seeing frustration because nothing is mentioned on Maxwell itself. But do you really think that forum wishes are being ignored? I don't think you do, but you need to know exactly what is being worked on? This won't happen, for obvious reasons. When a new version of Maxwell is ready to be announced, it will. But there won't be a trickle of information each week about what feature x is in the plans, bug x is fixed, feature x is improved...
If this is the source of your frustration then you must be very frustrated with all software developers, sooner or later.

Perhaps even more examples need to be given to completely reassure you that your concerns don't go unnoticed. But what is a better reassurance for you? A semi-automated "Thanks for the feedback" message from a developer, or seeing the results in the plugins for example?

Personally I want to see results, that is what reassures me, I prefer a developer who doesn't spend half their day talking to people on forums, basically repeating the same thing "Thanks, we'll look into it", "Thanks, we'll take it under consideration". I don't want politics, I want results. So I let the developers work in peace. They are working as fast as they can, me breathing down their necks isn't going to improve anything.

There are many posts here each day, don't get too upset if your particular bug post doesn't get "official" recognition, sometimes they have time to be more responsive, sometimes they have 10 minutes just to read the posts and not just on your plugin, or your problem, but everything.

And please, try to be more courteous to people who are just trying to convey to you the information given to them, and they have no authority to give anymore than that. It seems some people want a more open, casual atmosphere but are acting in a way which inspires the exact opposite.
By Boris Ulzibat
#209813
Maybe you are right, Mihai.
May be not completely...
Personally, i prefer results too, and do not want to insult anyone.
The thing is, few things really changed from v1.0 to v1.1. Most of the features that were not working, still do not work. it was about 6 months between the versions AFAIR, now it is 8 months since v1.1 and really, i have NO reasons to think maxwell will be improved VERY much. Not speaking about the fact that i doubt v1.2 will even be close to a thing v1.0 of any software should look like.
V 1.1 is not a finished product, you cannot deny it.
The only things that keep me from jumping off the maxwell ship are:
1 i am a long time NL customer (since RF3) and i like maxwell. So i am willing to give some more TRUST to NL. The kind of trust that is not supported by any facts, just pure emotion.
2 i am on Mac and do not want to switch back again.
3 i cannot spend MORE money on other renderers i do not have a chance to test.

I hope i made myself clear.
NL, I TRUST IN YOU!
DO NOT FAIL!
All above this was written by a my inner pragmatic-pessimist.
By giacob
#209818
frankly i dindt notice anyone beeing unkind to anybody.. Nicole included, so i found the advices given frankly out of place....
but thats'it.. behaviour of NL sounds ,JIMO, a bit like a mixture between a bit of arrogance, a bit of uncaringness, a bit of victimism and much uncomprehensible secretfullness.. and sometime also a bit uf kindness ... but that has not anything to do with the individuals its just concerns the comunication policy of the firm, so anything personall
By Boris Ulzibat
#209820
The secretness politics is used as an advantage ONLY by very big companies which have a history of making GREAT products.
If you made 10 GREAT things and tell nothing about the 11th one, all the people presume it will be great too and the HYPE starts. This HYPE is used as free advertisment of the product.
And when the company doesn't have such history and trust in MASSES, secretness politics work AGAINST it.


I will mention it once again - NDA is a choice! The customers have right to KNOW what's going on, but if you feel like telling noone else - NDA solves the problem!!!
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By Burkhard
#209828
If you like to see results...work for it.
On Sketchup thread are only questions how to work with the materials, pathes, changes ....or how to get things to work.
I spend more time with discussions and reading threads about new hypothesises how to work than i can try it for myself.
I'm not really interested in a complex new software, so the basic should work clear.
I do not like to bite the horse again, but i don't want to sattle it from the back.

Burkhard :(
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By Leonardo
#209830
andretto wrote:now i'm waiting for Leonardo to post his "beating a dead horse" stuff... :roll:
I keep it in my webserver 24/7 just in case :wink:

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By aitraaz
#209833
heh, I thought we were shagging a dead cow....Hard to keep up with this...
By giacob
#209834
in any case i am resigned ....
...... lets just hope that no news will mean a good product in the end ( hopelfully before my end)
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By Mihai
#209836
giacob wrote:frankly i dindt notice anyone beeing unkind to anybody.. Nicole included, so i found the advices given frankly out of place....
I didn't mean just this thread, but other posts with an aggressive tone, spiteful comments...
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By -Adrian
#209854
Do you guys think a bugtracking or wishlist system with digg-like voting features, so as to get a measure what is in high demand, would be of any practical use to the NL developers?
By superbad
#209868
-Adrian wrote:Do you guys think a bugtracking or wishlist system with digg-like voting features, so as to get a measure what is in high demand, would be of any practical use to the NL developers?
A system like that already exists (bugzilla), and is pretty widely used in open source projects. It's nice, but people tend to report the same bugs more than once because they can never be bothered to search the existing bugs. And of course if you had something like that for Maxwell open to the public, you'd get a dozen fanboys from other systems posting "ur rendur is two sloow" bugs every day.
By creasia
#209950
Lets take a step back and look at things from another perspective.

How long did Vray users have to wait until release 1.5 from 1.47, after Chaosgroup promised their release would come soon. Soon ended up being about a year later, and 1.5 still has bugs with transparency etc. etc. There has been no release that I am aware of to fix these bugs since Siggraph.

I still support Vray as my animation and production deadline render of choice, but I still think that Maxwell kicks it's butt for quality, ease of learning and material availability.

Maxwell is new technology. Sometimes I think that we expect instant gratification these days. At my employment we don't do irradiance maps in Vray any larger than 800x600 and sometimes I find that they take up to 4 hours or more. Can you imagine trying to render an image only with irradiance maps at 2000 px aspect width? I imagine we would have a similar wait time to Maxwell.

Fry Render has a head start as NL has already done the pioneering for them in this technology. Its a lot easier to take someone elses idea and improve it, but to be the inventor takes more time and energy.
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