[JCAddy]

MODO or SILO

SILO is VERY affordable. Only 110US dollars i believe.

[rafaelo]

I work on various marine projects (unfortunately not megayachts - mainly fishing boats!!) where you're going from NURBS surfaces to solid modelling to 2D DXF components for cutting and producing STL data for rendering and a bit of rapid prototyping - all in different packages. That's the real world of engineering and I'd imagine most other people on here are the same?
Cheers
Deri

Hi Deri, nice to hear from a fellow in the marine industrie... lots of the "real world" workflow information there, regarding of not working for the megayacht industrie dont really worry to much.. it can change in the near future, besides also remember that that would not really change the fact that the one's with money are still the "toys owners"

Are you in Florida?

regards

[deri]

He he - that gave me a good laugh!! I'm looking out my window on to 5 inches of snow and a big hill, but normally it's gallons of rain and a big hill - most definitely not Florida....... I'm based in mid Wales in the UK.
The fishing boats are OK - less hassle than yachts and suchlike as the customers really know what they want and you don't have a Naval Architect stressing about every last KG, when you're pouring 10 tonne of concrete in as ballast, a bit of extra material isn't a problem. Who are you working for on the big yachts and what sort of size?
I hear what you say about the people with the real money - I don't know many in the marine industry making megabucks, seems to be something you do for other reasons!
Cheers
Deri

[Stephen]

Rhino and Solidworks is the best way to go in my opinion. That is if you go the PC route and can afford SW. Rhino and Alibre actually work together better than Solidworks, but Alibre is new on the block. Alibre is much cheaper than Solidworks, and there is a free trial and a plugin for rhino where you can transfer your surfaces into alibre via the block manager. It's pretty nice.

[rafaelo]

Never had any experience with Solidworks, but is true they have a huge user database. There are so many good 3d softwares this days, I find strange nobody already has mention anything about ProE?

Yeah, Rhino is absolutely amazing for nurbs modelling.


@ Deri, yup.. it's a tough bussiness even with the big toys...I'm based in Florida but work from distance for a small yacht design agency who is based in north europe, right now there are two 220' + yachts under construction, that were designed under our specs. and styling, we also did the naval architecture & interiors as well.. lots of work..

And yes is something you do for other reasons, (almost) everything that floats makes me very happy.. I'm stuck in the marine bussiness.
Cheers
Rafael

[deadalvs]

yacht / boat guys... any links for such productions? i have a colleague that is interested in this and wants to get into this business (once he finished his studies)...

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deadalvs

[rafaelo]

yacht / boat guys... any links for such productions? i have a colleague that is interested in this and wants to get into this business (once he finished his studies)...

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deadalvs

Hi deadalvs, sure here some of the classicals links for the marine industry..


http://www.boatdesign.net/

http://www.yachtspotter.com/

http://www.yachtforums.com/index.php?

http://www.yacht-images.com/index.php

http://www.yachtdesign.info/

http://www.boat-links.com/linklists/boatlink-25.html

regards

rafael

[deadalvs]

i just make a course to design a parametric facade.

for this, our caad chair bought 10 licenses of «digital project», which is/was designed by gehry technologies.

http://wiki.arch.ethz.ch/asterix/bin/vi ... or/WebHome
http://www.gehrytechnologies.com/

the base is CATIA, just more developed towards architectural construction with management/organisation tools...

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whoa... new land ! heavy to learn, easily step by step... has anyone else experience with «digital project» ?

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deadalvs

[Robert Cervellione]

i have used digital project and currently have a copy. i think it is a good software. but it is not architecture software. you can not design with it. gehry does not even design with it(he 3d scand modesl then uses catia to add detail) it works great to figure out complex surfaces that already have been designed. so i stick with maya and rhino where i can use scripts and dynamics. but because i use maya mostly i will bring my surfaces into rhino or studio tools because they support maya geomotry much better.

[houchenk]

Anyone is CRAZY to spend the money on Alias products...I have used Studio tools for 10+ years, and have since switched to rhino full time. Alias crashes CONSTANTLY, makes parts that are very difficult to stitch (necessary for RP output) and STILL does not have a reliable fillet tool. The tolerance settings are very complicated, and getting data to transfer to different cad packages is an unbelievable pain in the ass.

Since switching to Rhino, I have NEVER had an sla part fail, NEVER had a data transfer issue, and NEVER had a client complain about my data in any way. Rhino is not a "toy" program or in any way less powerful...In my highly biased opinion it is not only more powerful than Alias, it saves me time, and money on a daily basis with it's ease of use. It just works...no hassels, no fuss. Alias used to piss me off every day...

The addition of V4 will end this argument forever...the UDT deformation tools are freekin' amazing and have saved me DAYS of rework to modify files to clients spec. It just keeps getting better and better and better...

One major difference is that Rhino was completely re-written on a new kernal at v3. Alias is still running on a kernal that is about 25 years old. It has been cut, patched, and modified so much in that time period that it runs like an old version of DOS.

I was a total alias bigot and thought all other programs were inferior until I got fed up with spending days to get a part to stitch. I tried it in rhino...stitched first time in about 5 min... I never looked back.

for the money you would spend on Studio tools ($7500+ for design studio...which is seriously limited as opposed to Auto studio $25k+) you can get a new computer, a wide screen monitor, an aeron chair, 2 seats of rhino a seat of maxwell, an xbox 360, and a Harley Sportster...and STILL have money left....

Anyone who is dissing this program or thinks it is a "concept modeler" needs to try it...you will be amazed. It is heavy duty, industrial strength.

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[Robert Cervellione]

i agree about rhio 4 especial the new multi raduis fillet.

[John Layne]

now we use solidworks mostly..but for quick first ideas i often use rhino

Do you import the models/surfaces made in Rhino into SolidWorks to finish the engineering detail required for manufacture?

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[John Layne]

no never..we have geometryworks for complex

Interesting, I trailed geometryworks once but it seemed unstable I had a lot of CTD's with it and decided not to purchase.

What's your overall impression of the geometryworks software?