[Maxer]

At the same time, what good would speed improvements be if you couldn't start the render in the first place? Speed is always nice, but with the quadcores now much cheaper, especially the QX6700, you have about a 3x speed increase compared to last year.

That's true however in the 2 years I've been using Maxwell I've only had one instance where I couldn’t render something because I didn't have enough memory. Don't get me wrong I'm glad that it's here and it's necessary I'm just pointing out that there are other features that are more important to people and that's probably why no one is super excited about it.

[Maximus3D]

Not everyone have unlimited piles of cash to buy the latest hardware all the time. Which is why speed IS important even for Maxwell. I agree with Maxer on this and i'm sure alot of us on the forum do. It's something which shouldn't even be argued about, speed should just be there.

/ Max

[tikal26]

once I got lost in the woods for days and hurt my head. When they found me I was so hungry and wanted a big juicy steak, but they gave me some liquids for what it seemed forever. I had forgotten about that , but NL and their announcements of announcements just reminded me of that.

[mverta]

Well from my chair, I see plenty of requests for new features, not just speed. In fact, I don't actually see speed requests that often, comparatively. The truth is, everybody wants everything: features, speed, smaller memory footprint, and all of it for free. I'm sure NL is doing their damndest

Anyway, Nicole will be bringing you guys a new feature list soon enough...


_Mike

[Maxer]

I don't want to turn this into a big debate but come on Mike the number one "feature" that everyone wants is speed. That also happens to be the number one thing that everyone complains about, not just here but on any other forum where a Maxwell image is posted and the rendering times are given.

[mverta]

Honestly, I'm just saying what it looks like from my chair, brother. I'm not devaluing speed. I don't see the: if Maxwell doesn't get faster I won't use it! anywhere NEAR as often as I see: if Maxwell doesn't have "x feature" I won't use it! Again, speed is important. But unlike most features, the need-for-speed thing actually solves itself, slowly, every single day, as things get faster.

And personally, Maxwell arrives at my 2k film plate images faster than my mental ray did, with better results, so I'm not in the speed camp. But then I don't do a lot of interiors


_Mike

[lllab]

well for me speed is good enough (and i do interiors)...

but i like shift lense or at least croprender in renderer like rhino has for all plugins....and of course displacement, better netrender etc...

cheers
stefan

[Boris Ulzibat]

Honestly, I'm just saying what it looks like from my chair, brother. I'm not devaluing speed. I don't see the: if Maxwell doesn't get faster I won't use it! anywhere NEAR as often as I see: if Maxwell doesn't have "x feature" I won't use it! Again, speed is important. But unlike most features, the need-for-speed thing actually solves itself, slowly, every single day, as things get faster.

And personally, Maxwell arrives at my 2k film plate images faster than my mental ray did, with better results, so I'm not in the speed camp. But then I don't do a lot of interiors


_Mike

There are no such complaints because Maxwell actually CAN render, not as fast as people ecpect, but it does. Then it just DOESN't have some crucial features. Not that they are limited but present and usable, they just aren't there.
So these two types of wishes are not easy to compare!

Personally i am satisfied with the fact that i can make a 1600*1200 render of acceptable quality in 7-8 h, so my wishes are in the "new-features-implemented" plane

[pluMmet]

displacement? shift lens? procedurals? ies? volumetric shaders? improved sky system?...
this all should have been already implemented in v1.0 - as announced long long time ago in good old alpha/beta times ...should be worth a 1.5

These are my main concern. That we don't need to pay (2.0) for what we were promised...

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.. meaning we will have to pay for an upgrade to 2.0 that much sooner....... Confused

Why don't you just go ahead and jump to 1.99 and get it over with.

lol i thought the same Wink

Me3 or 4 or what ever

[b-kandor]

I'm surprised nobody mentions the new memory improvements.....is that a good thing? A small detail? These are pretty significant, lots of people had trouble rendering at high rez, or rendering with many multilight sliders.

I am immensely happy about the memory improvement - I assume I'll be able to use more emitters with multi-light which has been a big limitation. high-rez is less of an issue for me as most of my output is viewed on screen.

I've personally never been concerned about speed. It's obvious that the calculations maxwell does are required to produce renders of this quality. Making it faster would imply a compromise (bias) so I don't want that.

When I first got maxwell my one dual-core system didn't render fast enough, so I bought 2 more. Solved the speed problem!

If NL were in the business of designing processors, then I would ask them for speed, but as things stand I'll just keep bugging intel.

ps. I know speed matters to some and we all have different work flows and deadlines so all above is only my 2 cents!

[mmhnemo]

Thanks for the update.
Im looking forward to mid may.

[Boris Ulzibat]

I've personally never been concerned about speed. It's obvious that the calculations maxwell does are required to produce renders of this quality. Making it faster would imply a compromise (bias) so I don't want that.

Speed improvements are not always connected with quality loss.
No software is coded perfectly.
That means any software can be optimised.
Speed-wise too.

[glebe digital]

Well it certainly looks good, but a full feature list is what I would like.
64-bit? It doesn't confirm anywhere for instance.........

[Rochr]

That's true however in the 2 years I've been using Maxwell I've only had one instance where I couldn’t render something because I didn't have enough memory. Don't get me wrong I'm glad that it's here and it's necessary I'm just pointing out that there are other features that are more important to people and that's probably why no one is super excited about it.

Well, i am. About the memory enhancements that is. Personally i find it to be the most crucial fix/update so far.
But than again, i´ve had issues with this with just about every scene i´ve tried running through Maxwell, and it´s the foremost reason i rarely use the renderer.

[michaelplogue]

displacement? shift lens? procedurals? ies? volumetric shaders? improved sky system?...
this all should have been already implemented in v1.0 - as announced long long time ago in good old alpha/beta times ...should be worth a 1.5

These are my main concern. That we don't need to pay (2.0) for what we were promised...

.... memory leaks, z-depth, proper SSS......

With all of the basic things that are still not functioning properly - and I'm not talking about wishlist sort of things, but basic functions found in every rendering system - I'd be hesitant to call what we have now as a full Version 1.

At the risk of being called 'Mr Negativity," I'm very curious as to what point in development will NL decide to call this a wrap, and start selling version 2? Am I going to have to pay for an upgrade in order to get a fully functional, bugless rendering program? What exactly WILL we have when we finally reach version 1.99999?

I am pleased that we are finally going to be getting an update after so long, and that there have been strides to make improvements. The memory optimization is a great step. But without knowing what this mysterious "extended and improved" feature list actually consists of, I can't bring myself to get very excited.

I'd much rather have the basics working correctly. Give me those, then I'll be happy. After that, you can throw in as many new and extended features as you like. Then I can get excited.

Yes, I can, and have been using what has been developed so far. However, I still don't feel like I've received what I paid for.

Right now, I've got a really sleek and sexy looking car, and the chicks are really digging it. But I still have to stick my arm out the window to signal a turn.........