[ivox3]

Tonight was the night i for the first time got to have a nightmareish experience of Vista. Oww.. not much to get impressed by there, only thing good about it is DirectX 10, the rest is pure crap! sparklingly shiny and transparent stuff, that's about it. And one hell of a super-paranoid security system built into Vista. You have to leftclick yourself to retirement before you get to install some small simple piece of software. Grr!

No i do not like Vista, not at all

/ Max

My horizon has no Vista !

[lsega77]

I've heard the argument vista is geared more toward average users and not us 'higher beings (double meaning on that one ).'

Ironically it seems like, IMHO, that the average user, although impressed with the bullshit fading effects and snazzy graphic, is still having a hard time operating their systems.

Case and point: My aunt just recently bought herself a PC. She's asked me to help her with the basics (total Noob but I love her to death ). I have to spend half my time explaining to her what all the security precautions are, why this and that dialog 'popped up', reassuring her that she hasn't done anything wrong....

IMHO, vistas made the already intimidating 'art' of computing (for the total novice that is), all the more intimidating. The only reason my aunt hasn't given up is because she's locked into a years cable/internet lease with her ISP.

I'm sticking with xp64... vista is the epitomy of shined shit.

Luis

[daros]

here are some instructions how to install vista.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVbf9tOGwno

[sandykoufax]

I heard that 3dsmax service pack is released nex month which is support vista and direct x10.

at that time I could consider whether upgrade or not.

but anyway, vista is too expensive.

[valerio]

Yes daros, this installation is a lot interesting!!!

[-Adrian]

but anyway, vista is too expensive.

Is there such a thing as "System-Builder's Edition" available in Korea? I'm not sure if this is an EU-only thing, but Vista Ultimate costs about 170€ in that version (as opposed to 500+), what it lacks is free technical support, which i never used anyway.

p.s. Not that i would want you to go Vista, naturally i want everyone to use GNU/Linux and BSD

[sandykoufax]

-Adrian

system-builder's edition? well..

In my country, there is DSP(Delivery Service Pack) version which is cheap but it's not an official version. maybe it would be the same as you said.
I heard that DSP version has many limitaion.

In korea, we could buy it with below official prices;

vista home basic : about $323
vista home premium : about $383
vista buisiness : about $476
vista ultimate version : about $637

there is a converted prices with current exchange rate.

and winXP MCE DSP version is about $102 which has free upgrade coupon to vista premium.

[Maximus3D]

Please don't waste your money on Vista, atleast not yet as there are hardly any drivers for your hardware and the few programs and games which runs in it is not even worth mentioning.

Save your hard earned money for something better.

/ Max

[sandykoufax]

You're right, Max.

In my case, I have just 2GB Memory on my system

and my old TV card is not compatible with vista because the manufacture went bankrupt about 2 years ago.

Vista is really expensive.

and Now I have a nasty cold.

so I have to spend my money for medicine.

[philhoole]

I am very interested in the widescale dislike of Vista. Why is this? Is it because it is MS or just because it is different or is it something else.

Is it the DRM issue? There are a lot of people who have been dealing with this for sometime with home theatre procectors etc. Nobody likes it but with the arrival of BluRay/HDDVD I don't see any way around it. What are Apple and Linux to do unless they ignore HD video altogether? I have read the "Cost of Vista" article several times and don't see why the criticism is isolated to MS.

Is it OpenGL? For some time there were some very exciting rumours that Vista would not suport OpenGL but the reality is that nothing has really changed since XP. The video card manufacturer writes a hardware OpenGL driver and all is well. Am I wrong here?

Is it the memory hogging? Memory useage reporting has apparently changed and shouldn't be directly compared with XP. Vista caches more effeciently and uses spare RAM or so I have read. I see on OSX forums that there is often advice that OSX needs "2GB to breathe" - Well you can't have it both ways.

Vista is only about 2 weeks old and so to say that driver support is poor is somewhat unreasonable. In my experience, driver support is pretty good. There is a lot of hardware that is about 5 years old now and people are still expecting Vista support. Is that fair on the hardware maufacturers - I don't know? Sadly I do have a problem here in that I "need" a Vista_64 driver for my DLink 530-GT network card because I have 2 pieces of software nodelocked to it.

I recall that the first release of OSX had a few critics and was hardly feature complete. Selective memory?

Over the last 10 years or so, Apple has dragged it's users through 68000, PowerPC and the G3/4/5 architectures. There have been software emulators and cases where software no longer works at all. Can you imagine the outrage if MS did this? The best thing about Apple now being on Intel is that they can no longer use their "unique" benchmarks to show
that their latest hardware is 2 to 3 times faster thsn Intel/AMD.

My final thing is - After installing ANY new OS and you have all the drivers and software installed then the OS is largely unimportant as long as it doesn't crash. In this respect, does the OS really matter? I couldn't care as long as the OS is transparent and stable. All Apple have left is their software/OS. And since Win2000, Windows is very stable which is why I get a little bit annoyed at these posts.

Vista is only 2 weeks old and do not believe all the bad things I read.

[Rochr]

Personally, i´ve been a windows fan ever since i bought my first machine, and loved Win95, 98 and XP, so i´m not a anti-microsoft person, but Vista is an OS Microsoft can keep.

I´ve never liked the eyecandy, all the smooth shiny graphical crap and pointless mini-apps that comes with OSX, and now Vista is going the same way with this Aero bs and its gadgets.
Why would i want to spend perfectly good memory on something as trivial as appareance?

Instead of wasting time and available power staring at a pretty desktop, flipping some pretty 3D windows back and forward, and play with desktop-programs that doesn´t provide anything of relevance, i personally much rather use that time and power for the programs i work with. Unfortunatly, MS seem to focus on appareance and play with this OS.
The "Safety for dummies"-features doesn´t exactly make the Vista experience better.

Yes, there´s the "classic mode", but even with that, you still need to spend the better part of a week stripping and turning of crap to make the system somewhat quick and workable. And then you still don´t have any guarantees that it will work well after that.

For play, it´s probably fine, for CG it´s definitely garbage.

Just my personal opinion...

[Frances]

I'm sticking with xp64... vista is the epitomy of shined shit.

Luis

Reminds me of the old saying, "You can't polish a turd." But Microsoft tried really hard, and may have just proved it wrong.

[valerio]

vista? … it is a step behind to xp

http://pfeifferreport.com/trends/trend_vistauif.html
http://pfeifferreport.com/trends/Vista_UIF_Rep.pdf

[Maximus3D]

When you mention that saying Frances i thought of this revolutionary product...

http://www.nopeitssoap.com/

/ Max

[b-kandor]

I'm fully agreeing with all of the bad press about vista etc. I'm using xp64 myself for a while now. but...

I have a friend who just got vista ultimate recently - he is a mac and pc guy (he works in both) and he loves it. Once you turn off the security alert thing (honestly useless) so your not constantly harassed it seems pretty sweet. He not had a single crash or problem. Even his old tv card (winfast - I have the same one) has vista software where live tv appears as a 'tooltip' if you hover over it's taskbar icon.

So, that's all - at least one person is having some sort of 'experience'!