[ivox3]

Fair enough Maxer.

.....but, to equate duration of life = quality is a mistake.

Lots of people live past 80 and haven't felt alive once. To be Present and hyper aware of your coroporal existance is to revere it, ...never taking it for granted and thusly, ......kicking ass in life. ...that's all I'm saying.


Leaving with no regrets. .....can we all say that we will?


I'll leave it at that.

[kraemerJK]

There is one little piece of information in the obituary : His daughter Emma. I think if you want to live on the edge, then DO NOT HAVE CHILDREN !!!!

I wonder what they will tell her when she´s older and asks about her dad..... And I wonder what she will think about that ....

[ivox3]

That. ....I wouldn't disagree with.

[kraemerJK]

But granted, Ivox, I for one thing do not want to turn 90 and not having felt at least once the sensations that you described. Whether I need to take fatal risks is a different point entirely.....

[ivox3]

The fact of the matter is that daily you take fatal risks, ....but you've become comfortable taking them. Yet, they don't bring this 'aliveness' mentioned. I don't have to point out anything in particular, but I'll share this recent story. A friend was just talking to his friend of his on a cell phone and his buddy was driving somewhere, ......well, ...the call went dead. My friend thought it was just another 'dropped call' , .....it wasn't bad cell phone service this time, .......his friend was blindsided in his car, ...and was killed.

Most folks have just hypnotized themselves into thinking that death is at a distance because they're in routines that have been 'safe' so many times before. Hey, ' I'm at home on a quiet Saturday morning, ....nothing but birds and forum posts. ...what could be safer? It's an illusion, ....and the possibility of death is still present. Everyday, people are in their routines, ....but suddenly without apparent provocation something happens that brings their life into the balance.

All I'm saying is that having a 'conscious' awareness of your being alive is a good start. So many folks walk around in comas. ..... step out of the Matrix and know your alive, then pick and choose what you want to do---- consciously. We don't need to go bungee jumping to know we're alive ----, but for some---- it'll certainly do the trick.

[kraemerJK]

I understand what you are saying. To be consciously alive is something that is not that easy to accomplish on a day to day basis. And I agree that we are taking fatal risks each and every day. But I think there still is a degree of "randomness" involved. If I cross a street, I take a fatal risk. I can influence that risk by being cautious and attentive. So much for a residential street in some suburb. If I cross a racing track, the risk is multiplied. Some risks (like the collision you mentioned) can not be influenced. But I think every fatal risk that can be influenced should be influenced. For example using a rope......

[ivox3]

Being reckless is being reckless. Getting on a motorcycle drunk on a rainy night with no helmet is reckless.

I never said there weren't consequences to our actions. Clearly there are and I'm not saying that you said I did. Just highlighting it.....

It's just balance we all seek. But it's a shame how so many golden oppurtunities in any one given life are never realized because people will hold the reigns of caution/control too tightly in many areas of life.

This doesn't only apply to confronting fears about physical activities like extreme sports. It could be as simple as not confronting someone your interested in due to fear of rejection. And so remains a beautiful future to be a probability never realized.

I think most will attest to knowing that 'falling in love' can make you feel pretty damn alive.

So, ....use caution when crossing the street, ...of course. But seize those better moments when the mind would have you do otherwise.

You'll know the ones when they present themselves.

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[kraemerJK]

excellently put....

@ivox : Nothing to add, you´re right about that. And I really did not think that you thought that nothing has consequences as you thought I might have or have not thought...

[ivox3]

thx Kraemer, ....and 8etty ....you'll have to image shack that one.

We'd like to see !

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[ivox3]

oh Lord ....... ......I take that back.

[j_man]

brundlefly brundelfly!

[Hybaj]

Being 21 years old and having a preliminary stadium of something that could under certain circumstances possibly evolve into morgellon's disease will make really feel alive (yep i'm speaking about myself). And only after spending thousands of hours searching for the real causes you will understand that even a simple looking life in this society is actually living pretty extreme. We exploit our bodies to the max.. it starts with the things we put in our mouth to the way we use our minds. Everything we do is kinda wrong.

This might sound over-exaggerated but you'll understand once your body will stop regenerating as it should and you'll be suffering from chronic diseases that are a childsplay for a healthy body to heal. But the real FUN begins when you realize that you're sweating a dark brown liquid, that your intestines are constanly burned by the bile acids, that your neurotransmitters are lagging so hard that you do not feel the most basic urges like hunger/thirst and you have a massive chronic fatique syndrome with feeling ultra tensed, that your hormones are so out of whack that you will probably soon start lactating through your manly nipples and there are much more even crazier symptoms than these.

I had my fun with this .. beleive me you'd rather fall from a cliff and have all bones broken in your body than suffering from something like this. And actually alot of people thought that it's better not living at all than suffering from it and kinda commited suicide.. sad sad sad..

[tom]

Well said Hybaj!