[Rochr]

Funny thing with computers is that an OS, or any other software for that matter, can work like a charm on one machine, yet act like crazy on another. And even though the two systems are virtually identical.
I think this is the thing with, among others, Vista.

It´s odd as hell for sure.

[itsallgoode9]

I'm gonna try to do some tests next week if I have some down time from projects. and see if it's more of a vista problem or a maxwell problem.


I'll do a 20 hr render or something in Mental Ray and see if my computer crashes. I may jut be assuming it's maxwell issue when it's actually an OS issue.

[itsallgoode9]

problem fixed.

I had 2 different brands of ram that didn't seem to like each other. 2 sticks of OCZ and 2 sticks of PNY. once i took the PNY sticks out it seems work fine now. been rendering for 14 hrs without a crash.

seemed to be a harware thing that never showed its face until I switched to vista.

[tom]

Was Mental Ray rendering without a crash using same configuration?

[itsallgoode9]

Ya know what, I never got around to testing out MR before I took out the ram sticks.

I'm assuming it would though. Probably any type of super heavy usage for an extended period of time would cause the crash, i'm guessing. It just happened that Maxwell was the only thing i was using that would tax the computer heavily for extended periods of time, so it kinda made it look like it was a Maxwell issue.

Eveything seems to be working perfect now..for the past past 48 hours or so anyways.

[sensor]

Depending on my 23 year experience since Spectrum ZX, I'd say Vista is a real toy comparing to XP, just have no doubt. Obviously, it has been developed for home users with more intelligence(!) in it. An operating system must be as pure as possible, otherwise it's not operating the system but user. Today, 90 percent of professionals waste their very valuable time for de-featuring the provided OS. Unwanted wallpapers, candy buttons, window fx, automated of everything bla bla... Be careful and don't allow your OS abuse the hardware you invested in. This is my humble opinion...
-ed: Make a quick search and find hundreds of reasons...
http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/03/ ... -xp_6.html

Here my humble opinion about this strange comment: In my point of view "an operating system as pure as possible" is mostly a file server.

For productivity, we need tools, even toys to make our work more productive and all OS have some of them, in foreground and in background. It's not a specificity of "awful Vista" or any other SO I don't control yet

Almost 100% of professionals, for sure, tweaks their workstations in many ways, and that's why some of them are great professionals. Those professionals who just "seat and use" are usually pure Mac Users (not the polyvalent ones - Respect for them) - and those pure Mac Users just follow their perfect religion and are not really relevant to judge all the other many options.

Like in F1, each team tweak their perfect engine to achieve better results, that's how world works and none a single SO is perfect enough or "neutral" enough to operate the system only, without taking care of the user in some way. Each years we see them doing more and more to assist us and anticipate our needs.
Our heart (SO - mine is fully 64bits since almost a decade) can't beat by itself only, it needs everything around it, lungs, veins, etc (hardware + softwares), good and sometime bad things too and it's our brain (users + tweaks) who makes the diference between stupidity and efficiency.
And yes, I require my SO to "abuse" my hardware, by itself or with my help. Every part I've bought. Vista begins to do it, XP simply doesn't. And in time everybody will learn how to use it for their own productivity.

Since a year, even more, I read the same like: go to "http://www.let_me_show_you_how_I_dont_understand_yet_why_Vista_is_not_XP.com" about Vista than when XP cames out, and a few years later, "XP is a stable SO". At the end, it just demonstrate than people always need time to adapt and learn new technics.

And, to finish, in my humble point of view, only Mac Users have less problems because they usually don't take risks - mostly because they are not allowed to do it - and even Linux, like with many other SO, allows you to tweak and optimize the SO (thanks God). And if someone can't remove the wallpaper or tweak his tools time to time, then, an engineer near will be always useful for assistance.

This is only a glimpse of the differences between wolves and sheep.

[Stinkie7000]

And, to finish, in my humble point of view, only Mac Users have less problems because they usually don't take risks - mostly because they are not allowed to do it (...)

No, that's because they don't have to.

I have both a pc and a Mac. Now, I don't dislike Windows - I'm not a Mac zealot. But Mac OS wins hands down - it just is the superior product.

Would I use Windows if I didn't have to? No. Not a chance. [/i]

[deflix]

windoze 95 still the best
dont agree with adaptability argument - this is an excuse for accepting bloatware. We only accept them because we get used them - thats all!.... we quickly forget the drawbacks; I call it the 'anesthetic of familiarity'. Does anyone question why installs are so massive these days. And why subsequent OS's require so many more resources? Is it really proportional to the features and productivity offered - nah..i dont think so. Its market led - chicken and egg. dont believe the hype. keep it simple. Look at something like a top end 3d games engine to see what I mean. To start from the bottom takes alot of energy - its only viable with something like (for example) a 3d engine. And is also why software like autocad, 3dsmax, and vista is lazily put together, inefficient, and not as good as previous iterations in this respect.....

Modern software is the proverbial equivilant to an american car, big, fat and stupid - the only difference is the fuel (hardware) is there to run it!

As for MACS they are incomparable - a completely different product. On one hand you have a totally bespoke environment with a completely controlled framework created by one company. On the other is a loose set of standards on which you can run an infinite number of applications.

One is professional the other other is essentially designed for your mother.

[Cadhorn]

problem fixed.

I had 2 different brands of ram that didn't seem to like each other. 2 sticks of OCZ and 2 sticks of PNY. once i took the PNY sticks out it seems work fine now. been rendering for 14 hrs without a crash.

seemed to be a harware thing that never showed its face until I switched to vista.

Does it only work with the OCZ ram? Have you tried using only the PNY? I ask because I had (what sounds like) a similar issue on a recent home-built workstation. Adding the 2nd pair of ram caused crashes. Turned out that running 4 sticks of ram vs 2 sticks needed a tiny bit more voltage from the memory controller (northbridge?) to run properly, a quick and easy fix in bios settings. Maybe ask around on the hardware forum of your motherboard vendor.

[tom]

One is professional the other other is essentially designed for your mother.

I like it Reminds me our motto in those revolutionary Amiga years...

[Becco_UK]

With properly configured hardware, there shouldn't be 'blue screen' problems with any operating system.