[pipcleo]

I have done a series of exteriors for various retirement facilities.
Client now wants EITHER interior renders of typical foyer/rooms/entry etc OR a walkthru.
Need to quote for both but would prefer internal renders to animation for various reasons.

What are typical animation rates per sec these days ? I want to make the price for stills seem more attractive but want to back this with typical rates.
I know the question is vague but any info is helpful

[kami]

I know a company around here which takes 6000 EUR for 30sec and 9000 EUR for 60sec, which I find rather expensive. But maybe it helps you ... if you compare their regular prices.
you can find all prices here: http://totalreal.ch/preise.php (in swiss francs)

[Hervé]

9000 euros..? just spilled my coffee all over my keyboard..

[big K]

prices are in CHF i think.
still very pricy though. but hey, i like the idea that this gets paid...

[LiW]

doesn't that make anyone here think "these guys must be good"? I mean, they know what they are doing and how much that thing is worth to others;)
the idea for such prices is simply great.
I know people who render for 80-100 euro per shot, which I think is insane

all best
j

[glebe digital]

doesn't that make anyone here think "these guys must be good"? I mean, they know what they are doing and how much that thing is worth to others;)
the idea for such prices is simply great.
I know people who render for 80-100 euro per shot, which I think is insane

all best
j

I just think they're expensive.......with those eye-watering rates they'd eat my budgets before breakfast!
Freelance rates are lower, my guess is those guys in Zurich have rents to pay, larger office costs etc.........

I usually ballpark costs at 1,200EU per minute of animation.......obviously scene complexity has an impact but that's generally the target area.

[Hervé]

1,200 euros...? I think that's a fair price..

[yolk]

i've not done any walkthroughs in my life (nor would i want to)...but i think to make a really nice one you can spend a week or more modeling lighting and animating..and another week or two rendering..it's a good pay for 2.5 weeks of work. an correct pay for 4 weeks..a marvelous one if they do it in 3 days.

you have to take several things into consideration.
they're in switzerland..a loaf of bread costs 5640$ here..or close to it.

you also have to distinguish between the guy who does his renderings in his underwear from his mother's home on pirated software and a studio with regular salaries, proper backup system and deadlines they keep.

EDIT: i don't know these guys..so can't tell you if they work in underwear.

EDIT 2: have you seen the list of their clients? the office of zaha hadid receives about 10-20 offers a week from guys who want to do renderings for them..probably many would do it for less. it seems zaha's office is willing to pay these guys - so they must be satisfied.

[Hervé]

[glebe digital]

Man that's some bad underwear Herve...........if you uncovered that in a 'fit of passion' I think the fire would go our pretty quick.

Personally I do at least get dressed in the morning............I don't know why but it'd be kinda strange being on a conference call in ones PJ's........

I love the idea that 'freelance' has come to be almost completely analogous with 'spotty bedroom cowboy' ...........can I start refering to established FX-houses as 'blood-sucking leech dens' as a matter of course from now on?

........if the quality is good enough, you can charge whatever the market will bear......it's all good.........last time I looked CFC Framestore were charging £2.5K per-day, per-man................now that's a fine looking rate.

[Hervé]

These are the famous Mormon underwear... he he..; I sleep naked.. so I HAVE to wear something.. hehe.. I think very few people stay in Pyjama's... lol..
Last company I worked for complained about ultra high rates in some graphic companies... well yes they have financial issues.. office rent.. coffee machine, well dressed secretaries, meetings to prepare meetings.. and often they have to eat in these downtown ridiculously expensive restaurants.. (they are far from home all day long..)..

I am lucky to live in a big house.. so I have an entire floor... but anyway, I would never work from my bedroom.. lol.. I'd fall asleep.. maybe in my kitchen....

General advice is to charge as much as you can... take a look at your client's shoes.. and you'll know..

[Bubbaloo]

General advice is to charge as much as you can...

Yes! It is a disservice to the whole industry when you undercharge.

[kami]

so a good rule of thumb would be to charge so much, that some clients choose somebody else, and those who prefer your quality stay ...

[glebe digital]

Whatever your rate is, high or low, the priority is that it be as transparent & understandable as possible..........Regardless of ballparks, my hourly rate is £30......no if's, no buts.

I get the impression not many people are working this way.........but I tell you what fellas, I'm damn busy everyday........clients like to know EXACTLY what a day is worth, thay can't cost jobs properly otherwise [and you make account handler's jobs a nightmare!].

[Michael Betke]

Maybe this survey is a nice start on prices. Scroll a bit down and you find infos about it sorted by continents.

http://www.cgarchitect.com/news/newsfeed.asp?nid=4664

I think animations are not a lot of more work and is overpaid in some situations. basically you have a scene which you would even need to build up when you do a still.
The only more amount of work is to place a spline where a camera follows.
Rendertimes are not real work in my opinion. Only if you need a renderfarm and hand this bill over to your client.

In some cases you need to put music on the movie and do a post-processing. But some clients only want the fly-through stuff.