[Hervé]

hey Bravo to Carlos Sastre ! Winner !

http://www.carlossastre.com/

[Bubbaloo]

Has he been thoroughly tested?
Wasn't the last leader dq'd for that?
I'd hate to be a professional athlete in this day and age...

[tokiop]

lol didn't know it already started/finished


Nice render but male model looks out of proportion and female model is obviously instances...

[Hervé]

yes I believe he was very very tested... unlike Amstrong...

the 3 Luxembourg guys were very tested too..

on a sad note, they caught 4 on dope...

[leoA4D]

yes I believe he was very very tested... unlike Amstrong...

Are you suggesting being tested seven consecutive years in France was not enough testing?

[Hervé]

Armstrong used an EPO2 last generation provided by a big pharmaceutical Co., so all controls did not find it by then.. a couple years ago.. the re-tested his urine he gave from these years.. and found he cheated all along..

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/other_s ... 186628.stm

.. and I would trust more the Antidoping French agency than him.. that's one thing sure..

Re-watch some of his famous moments, I mean he looked like he was driving a motocycle... hehe

[Bubbaloo]

It's nice that Lance retired so he could give others a chance.

[Hervé]

[leoA4D]

... and I would trust more the Antidoping French agency than him.. that's one thing sure...

Hi Hervé,

I read the linked BBC article about the article revealing Armstrong used EPO2 printed by the newspaper L'Equipe. Other than L'Equipe, did any labs or scientists confirm the L'Equipe article? IMO, that article does not make either side believable.

Really, I do not trust any of the parties involved in this matter because the responsible "scientific organizations" (my quotes for emphasis) are not 100% transparent with their motives, processes and conclusions. Plus, they do not allow other bona fide, independent and objective scientific organizations to replicate the processes to prove/disprove the original conclusions. Good science trumps talk and media shows and is the only way to settle this.

If Armstrong used EPO2, let him be stripped of the awards and be shamed. However, the proof should come from irrefutable scientific processes that have been confirmed by independent science-based sources. The Tour de France deserves as much.

In fairness to Armstrong, if L'Equipe or the organizers of the Tour de France are going to make charges against him, it is their responsibility to prove the charges. L'Equipe, at best, seems only to have *leaked* uncorroborated information. If I remember correctly, nothing much happened after L'Equipe's article, that is, no formal investigation was/has been launched that could lead to charges against Armstrong.

The Tour is a great athletic competition and it is hurt not only by the doping but by not bringing episodes like this to a final and fair conclusion regardless of which party is supported by the facts. The fans of the Tour de France deserve as much.

Cheers,

Leonard,
Fan of the Tour de France