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By deadalvs
#121462
mornin'...

i'd like to start modelling with an advanced nurbs modeler which is accurate and let's use booleans and stuff... maya is very weak concerning this area...

what are the advantages of each one? disadvantages (next to the price)...

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deadalvs
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By cyberjuls
#121463
try rhino. :wink:
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By aitraaz
#121471
Well i think its a bit too early to give Alias Design Studio the dinosaur label :shock: (but then again, maybe not)...Considering price and ease of use agree that Rhino is a good place to start. Catia/Studio are much more up on the high end of the market, in Catia's case, way, way up on the high end for product development...
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By deadalvs
#121472
rhino isn't available for mac...

well, studio too... :(

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deadalvs
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By mverta
#121473
I'll give you that Autostudio is overpriced, but it's a serious app. Have you ever worked with it? I'd say for 99.9% of the stuff we do here, it's overpowered, if anything.

_Mike
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By aitraaz
#121474
mverta wrote:I'll give you that Autostudio is overpriced, but it's a serious app. Have you ever worked with it? I'd say for 99.9% of the stuff we do here, it's overpowered, if anything.

_Mike
Agreed. At least for product design, IMHO, its a notch above
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By ivox3
#121486
you could buy a PC and a rhino license and still be only a fraction of the price for Alias
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By ricardo
#121489
You will usually see Alias AND Catia, Alias in Design, Catia in Engineering. The shallow pocket combo is Rhino and SolidWorks, wich can pull some amazing stuff also - but that's for factory production. Catia & SolidWorks are way overshooting if you are to do renderings only.

Ricardo
By rafaelo
#121497
No experience with Catia yet, no doubt is a very powerfull system, Ricardo statement is true, Alias is more design oriented than Catia, so it is not really fair to compare this two tools..

I have been working with Alias 14 years from now, and it is everything I would ever need for doing the most complex surfaces, my very first work was a molecule for an chemistry investigation laboratory, the price of the system at that time if I remember well was over 110K $ SGI Indigo + Alias. Today you can run Alias with a Win PC and the cheapest version is about 9K $.

I dont like to think I'm stupid or similar, the real stupid ones are the win boxes and programs that you need to tell them everything they need to do.. but I remember it took me literally years to learn Alias with all the options.. so take it easy and be patience if that is the way you want to go.

Now I'm working in the megayacht industry for an european based yacht design firm, the 2D-3D conceptual sketching/surfacing/evaluation/marketing tools integration could not be better, it is with no doubt a very powerfull package, it always impress me how even experienced people in the 3D industrie seems to be fascinated every time they see something produced with Alias.

I first saw Rhino and Maya at Sigraph (new orleans) maybe in 1990??? since that it really got my attention, and was happy there was a cheap and good alternative to Alias, I admire them for the work they are doing.

In the marine industry Rhino is very popular but no doubt when it comes to composites surfaces with complicated draft angles and variable radii, Alias is much much better, the same for evaluating surfaces, and since Alias has construction history, design changes are done much quickly than in Rhino, Alias also offers lots of nice tools for conceptual sketching and texturing/mapping that Rhino does not offer.

Rhino is very capable of doing almost any imaginable shape and is also easy to learn with lots of especialized plug-ins, is also very popular this days at many professional studios and students, so thats a nice plus.

I dont want really to compare the two tools since I use both in my every day work, I have fun using Rhino it has some really good tools that I wish were some day implemented in Alias, both are really good softwares, but Alias offers very powerfull surfacing tools with options that Rhino lacks in order to optimize the surface generation process and evaluating those, that is really the core of Alias, this is very apreciated by the engineering teams who work with others systems.

I was pretty dissapointed for almost 6 years where almost no attention was taken to improve Alias studio since they seem to concentrate all the efforts to Maya, I even thought they were discontinuing the product, but the last three years there have been a bunch of new improvements that put Alias again in the top list, dont really know what will happen after the autodesk adquisition.. lets hope for the best.

Since your question is about to use Catia or Alias I'm sorry I couldnt help with that.. try first to identify your main use for the package, it is Design or Engineering? and maybe ask this same question on a dedicated Catia/Alias forum, but my advice for these complicated days we are living now, is to be proeficient with at least two or three different Surfacing packages being Alias & Rhino in my opinion the best options for nurbs surfacing, just start with one preferably Rhino and get good with it, after that you can move on to lern the other in your spare time, the principles of surfacing are very similar among all softwares.

All the best,

Rafael
By mrcharles
#121500
Try giving modo a look. Powerful tools, customizable interface, scripting... it has a lot going for it... and you can download a full function version for a 30 day trial.

http://www.luxology.com
By rafaelo
#121507
Impressive stuff at the modo gallery, i must admit.. anyway I'm new with all this subdivision modelling concept, can this be used instead of nurbs for modelling real objects for production? can this data be easily imported in the engineers systems? it is accurate enough?

The engineer dept. will laugh at you if you send them any kind of data full of tolerances imperfections and especially if they are not able to shell the modell into a solid/part in order to do complicate offsets for wall thickness, trimming/adding operations, exact draft angles for plastic molds and parts, sheet metal, FEA etc

If the original question was either to use Catia or Alias I suppose he is trying to get away from the artistically modelling aproach that polygonal modelling offers.

Will give modo a try, just for fun and to learn something new.. but I'm almost sure it is more oriented for the artist and creative professionals than to design engineering.
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By hyltom
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If you used MAC, the best choice will be SOLIDTHINKING.
It's a mix between Rhino and Solidworks.
For my point of view it's one of the best 3D software...avalaible for PC and MAC.
I suggest you to download the demo and try it. If you know how to used rhino so you can start without fear.

http://www.solidthinking.com/index_en.htm

Hyltom
By ricardo
#121575
Rafaelo: Tell me something, has alias changed studio's interface or it's the same PowerAnimator 7.8 that I saw on studio 10 or 11?

Regarding Rhino: Version 4 will bring a bunch of neat stuff, and soon there will be a T-Splines plugin availiable, that will bring SDS like modelling too.

Ricardo

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