[mverta]

It's difficult to be humble when you're always right. I was only wrong once: I thought I'd made a mistake. Oh, the burden of it all. By the way, the discussion moved off of me and back on topic many posts ago. You're not helping my humility with all this insistent attention.

_Mike

[mverta]

I will use Fry the day a single image motivates me to, the same way Maxwell did. I have not seen an image from anyone using it that rivals Maxwell. I see a lot of close attempts. But I see those from V-Ray, too. If Joe's Rendering Engine came out tomorrow and looked better than Maxwell, I'd be a Joe user. That's been my position since day one.

_Mike

[mverta]

That sounds like an unfair burden to put on a single image... as we were talking about earlier, there was one image that really "sold" me on Maxwell, but it was also the pinnacle of a cumulative experience looking at a lot of kick ass work in the gallery. So it wasn't just one image. But I visited the site for the first time and bought Maxwell in the same day.

At this point, I'd have to see a large jump in quality from Fry, see all my current features implemented, all of which would have to surpass - not just equal - Maxwell in order for me to have any motivation. If it was just as good as, but no better, then why switch?

Plus, I have the fortune of working with 1.2, and I know what's in the pipeline So it would be a pretty damn enormous leap for them to take before that was the case. But make no mistake, I root for whoever has the best product, as I think most of us do. It really isn't about which "team" you're on.

_Mike

[rivoli]

Plus, I have the fortune of working with 1.2, and I know what's in the pipeline

this just reminds me of you saying basically the exact same thing only hours before the first rc came out. finding out what actually was in the pipeline back then wasn't that great, or was it?

[pluMmet]

In the wip section over @ the other guys is a thread called "Atrium" by u.biq.

I find it very well done. Most of these type of images are not in the gallery.

I'm glad mike that you are willing to try something if it looks good. The problem with that is you have to take the trouble to look!


On a side bar: It's been much easier to deal with the lack of NL updates now that I have something else to work with. Something that I might add gives things in a timely manner.

As far as image quality...The reason I got into Fry is that I was looking at old alpha images here in the M~R gallery then went to Fry and saw what I had been missing since the RCs.

[mverta]

Plus, I have the fortune of working with 1.2, and I know what's in the pipeline

this just reminds me of you saying basically the exact same thing only hours before the first rc came out. finding out what actually was in the pipeline back then wasn't that great, or was it?

I wish there was a short answer to that, which didn't compromise a lot of information and good people. We've all been through a lot, no doubt.

And if you'll remember, I stayed up all night writing more than 200 posts helping users out with what ended up being released. Life isn't a popularity contest, but I have always tried to help others out with Maxwell problems.

But if I may say so, you're going a long ways back on that one. RC?! I think if you're using Maxwell 1.1 today, and say, the Maya plug-in, you're in a pretty nice place. At least, that's how I feel. And you, too, I guess, since you're still here. In the end, I'm a Maxwell user, not a Maxwell mouthpiece. I actually have to use it or not use it in my work, and I've never been on the NL payroll. I have more fun and make more money, so sure I'm an advocate. Anyway, you don't get to beat up on me anymore, you get to beat up on Nicole. I'm just a lowly tester these days, but a happy one.

_Mike

[mverta]

If it was just as good as, but no better, then why switch?

Rendertimes maybe? or less bugs?

Well that would be better, then wouldn't it As it is, probably because I don't do a lot of interiors or whatever, rendertime has honestly never been an issue. I've done a bunch of hi-res, but it seems to always outperform mental ray, which I was used to. Anyway...


_Mike

[Maya69]

we can wait a mr 1.2 and i hope for nl is very good and not bug in new version

for now i use fry for professional work

Why because the workflow is better and i haven't bug

May be mr is better quality but only if you have no time limit

For me a curently version of mr is only a rc and not finish product

i hope 1.2 but i don't believe ...................

[Hybaj]

It's difficult to be humble when you're always right.

Even technically speaking I woudln't be so sure of myself like you are Mike. I don't doubt your skills but being biased and stubborn doesn't really help you in any way. You're really reducing your cognitive skills by this

[mverta]

Uh.. speaking of cognitive skills...



_Mike

[rivoli]

And if you'll remember, I stayed up all night writing more than 200 posts helping users out with what ended up being released.

I know, I do remember that night perfectly. of course 1.2 has nothing to do with that, and this whole thread has nothing to do with that, just couldn't help but notice the funny similarities between those two statements.

hopefully nothing like that night will never happen again.

I should have put a smile at the end of that above post, I'll do it now

[mverta]

hopefully nothing like that night will never happen again.

Amen.

_Mike

[Hybaj]

Mike : You ruined again... noooo.. when will the pain stop. Really.. it hurts...

Ok i'm quiet. Back to hibernating mode

[paxreid]

To me this all seems so silly...

I think it was JDHill that said it best...each is just a tool. One is a hammer, the other is a saw..etc..etc. Sorry..couldn't find it..but it was good.

Use both..use one..the product is still an image. If one engine can make carpet and you happen to render close ups of carpet..use that engine.

I don't use Fry...but may give it a try..just as I did with MW almost over two years ago. I purchased MW WAY before it was even close to where it is now. The whole core has been redone and improved. If someone likes the customer service, the attention, the promise of image quality, PROMISE OF FEATURES (MR did this too), the way a company works and supports it's users...why wouldn't you give that engine a pre-order chance...just as we all did with MR.

Just don't see the sense with the whining..on who is better. Maybe..just maybe in the future both will be good..maybe one will fall off a die. The market and product will decide in the end..not this debate.

[d7mcfc]

Why the aggression you people?

Mverta has an opinion, when did this become a crime?

We all have our own thoughts on the pro's and con's of Maxwell. That is one of the great things about having this forum, we all learn from the concerns and also the knowledge of others on here. Mike has tought a lot of people on here some great skills over the last few years, as have a lot of others.

Wind you necks in, Maxwell is a very usable tool. True you need a beast of a machine(or machines) to bang your work out, but the quality is in there, and it is evolving, and I am glad to be on for the ride.

If Fryrender suddenly topped Maxwell we probably would all jump ship straight away, but as it stands, it is a great looking piece of software, but it does lack a little something, I don't know what, but I can't see anything rivalling Mikes Artoo, Gerets work etc... the list is endless of amazing images we see on here. but tomorrow it might, who knows.