[dyarza]

This conversation has been going on since the first time that Next Limit introduced the Studio. I am in the camp of those who purchased M~R because we were promissed a render engine we could use with our existing software, in my case Cinema 4D. As such, I am waiting along with many others for the plug-ins to catch up.

I rarely use the studio but I see the need for it. Certainly the people here claiming to like it better are doing so for their own legitimate reasons.

Bottom line is that it makes sense to have both and I do not see anythign wrong with NL fuguring out the render engine and studio first and then shifting priority to the plug-ins. I just wish that they were a bit more communicative about the progress and they would find a better way to figure out what the plug-in should have. It seems to me from the forums that the C4D plug is not the only one with problems, most people are not that happy with theirs.

Cheers,

D

[Maxer]

All of you need to remember that Maxwell was originally sold as a "PLUGIN" for your 3D app, Studio came much later for reasons that have never fully been explained. IMO the plugins should be given as much attention as Studio if not more, it's ridiculous that some functions are available in Studio but not the plugins.

[jsls]

All of you need to remember that Maxwell was originally sold as a "PLUGIN" for your 3D app, Studio came much later for reasons that have never fully been explained. IMO the plugins should be given as much attention as Studio if not more, it's ridiculous that some functions are available in Studio but not the plugins.

This sums it up in a nutshell for me....I thought I was buying a PLUGIN, and we still dont have a working one yet.....

[Maximus3D]

Ok.. you guys are complaining when you get more than you first bought into ? right.. that makes sense.

/ Max

[jsls]

Ok.. you guys are complaining when you get more than you first bought into ? right.. that makes sense.

/ Max

More than I bought into? LOL thats funny!!!

[Maxer]

No it's a simple case of not getting what you bought and instead getting something you never wanted.

[Maximus3D]

jsls: Good to see you have humor, even tho it's a weird sense of humor..

Maxer: What i meant is you guys say you bought it as you would only get a plugin connection, that's fine. But now when you got Studio also without even asking for it, well then you cry about it. That's the weird part. And perhaps there are more users than just you.. quite many do use Studio and find it useful, they should not have to have it taken away from them because some other people suspect their plugins get less attention and didn't want Studio at all.

/ Max

[Maxer]

Maxer: What i meant is you guys say you bought it as you would only get a plugin connection, that's fine. But now when you got Studio also without even asking for it, well then you cry about it.
/ Max

The perception is that Studio is taking away development time from the plugins, who knows if this is actually happening. I don't have a problem with Studio but for me I didn't buy Maxwell because it was a stand alone application, I purchase it because it was a 3rd party render engine that did exceptional images. That was the way I had always intended to use it and that hasn't changed, I only think that since it was sold to me in that way it should be a priority for NL to develop it at least in tandem with Studio.

[jsls]

You are completely missing the point, no one wants to take Studio away...just make the plugins work, as how studio works.....and yes I do have a sense of humor

[michaelplogue]

If I had been forced to move to Studio in order to get the results I wanted, I would have dropped M~R already. I purchased M~R because it had a well-developed plug-in for Max. Function and performance for the plug-ins should be equal to that of Studio. Learning an entirely new app is a waste of my time.

Ditto!

[Frances]

jsls: Good to see you have humor, even tho it's a weird sense of humor..

Maxer: What i meant is you guys say you bought it as you would only get a plugin connection, that's fine. But now when you got Studio also without even asking for it, well then you cry about it. That's the weird part. And perhaps there are more users than just you.. quite many do use Studio and find it useful, they should not have to have it taken away from them because some other people suspect their plugins get less attention and didn't want Studio at all.

/ Max

You know, when you use words like "cry" you are really demeaning the people you are referring to. Is that your intention? Because you're getting really good at it.

Aside from that, if people are finding Studio to be preferred as an alternative to their host plug-in because of whatever bugs, then it's a reasonable conclusion that Studio developement could be slowed until they get the plug-ins brought up to speed. I do not consider it unreasonable to expect the plug-in for my native application (the one in which I have invested a lot of money and time) to have all the performance and render features that Studio has.

[Rochr]

What i meant is you guys say you bought it as you would only get a plugin connection, that's fine. But now when you got Studio also without even asking for it, well then you cry about it. That's the weird part. And perhaps there are more users than just you.. quite many do use Studio and find it useful, they should not have to have it taken away from them because some other people suspect their plugins get less attention and didn't want Studio at all.

I can perfectly appreciate people needing Studio, and i don´t have a problem with that. I don´t think anyone have.
If there would´ve been a working plugin available along with Studio, there wouldn´t have been any complaints.

The reason for buying Maxwell was because i needed a plugin for my primary 3D app, not a standalone renderer, but this latest 1.1-version has - among other things - severe camera issues which makes it practically unusable, so i´m still waiting for one.
So in that sence, i haven´t recieved anything of what i´ve payed for, and wheather or not Studio is included is irrelevant, i don´t have use for it, i´m in need of a working plugin..

Aside from that, if people are finding Studio to be preferred as an alternative to their host plug-in because of whatever bugs, then it's a reasonable conclusion that Studio developement could be slowed until they get the plug-ins brought up to speed. I do not consider it unreasonable to expect the plug-in for my native application (the one in which I have invested a lot of money and time) to have all the performance and render features that Studio has.

Agreed!

[Maximus3D]

Ok.

/ Max

[glebe digital]

I have a lot of sympathy for those who don't have a workable plug, it's obviously a real pain if it's your only route in. Maybe you're right, development should be biased towards this at the moment.........[especially as v1.1 [via the Studio] is such a solid piece of kit right now].

On the other hand, comments like 'I will NEVER use the studio' make absolutely no sense to me at all. Could someone please explain to me why the Studio is such a dogs-dinner and can't be considered under any circumstances?
At present, it's sounds like the unicyclist who won't switch to two wheels on a matter of principle........even when the unicycle has a puncture and the seat's been knicked.

[Maxer]

Studio was created because NL didn't want to support the large number of plugins that they originally intended on. I can accept that fact, but that doesn’t mean that Studio is going to be the answer to everyone’s problems. The biggest problem I have with it is that it's not really a 3D program like Max or Maya, it's more like a model editor. The point of getting Maxwell as a plugin is that you don't have to re-learn anything, you can continue working as you always have and then Maxwell becomes a companion. The idea that Studio can take the place of anyone’s main 3D app would mean that it would have to do things at least as well as what it was replacing. We all agree Maxwell's render quality is great but beyond with Studio it becomes redundant.