[Kabe]

Well, I'm *really* glad that it is working, and I'm also relieved that this picture is the very first with that hard to describe "beta feeling". Although you personally might not use it for architecture and don't care much about the sun simulation, obviously the majority of the professional user base just needs this. I would rather add it to the FAQ than the feature list though *g*

If I didn't know better, I'd say you were disappointed it was a successful test.

Don't worry, we will find other things to rant about

Again, thanks for the test, you can let this cook for a couple of hours because in fact this is indeed a picture that made history in a sense ("first public pict to show sunlight through dielectrics").

Cheers and thanks

Kabe

[Olivier Cugniet]

i don't think they could bring back sunlight without passing throuh glass

do you want to bet?

well, buffos, maybe i did win my bet

thank's a lot for testing and posting mike

[tom]

It has the beta feeling cause its using the same engine

We already told it is NOT the same engine but based on it.
It's sad that you don't want to understand the difference.
...and moreover RS2 is based on RS1 too, what's strange here?

[aitraaz]

Physical sky + Sunlight (not skydome) penetrating glass, then penetrating glass sphere, and leaving strong caustics. My glass settings are a touch dark; most likely attenuation settings. Is this what you guys are worried about?



_Mike

[Olivier Cugniet]

buffos, i don't rush, i said maybe i won my bet !

i just find that what we see is promising, but i want to see more and want to see it on my own computer, as you, i bet

[leoA4D]

Yep, promising is the word. 4 hours and noise...

Promising.

[Kabe]

Yep, promising is the word. 4 hours and noise...

Frankly, speed is really not the biggest of my worries.... far from it. I couldn't care less if an image cooks on a machine for a day if the setup for that image saves me or somebody else hours of expensive work.

Workflow issues are far more important to me, the quality of the SDK and the plugins are a major concern, the structure of material libraries and their use will have a major impact.

Noise is a thing most people deal with, and a thing that "normal people" tend to overlook anyway. Speed might increase if we are closer to release, but I think that a solid feature set is the primary focus right now.

Kabe

[Nuno Faria]

i'm kinda lost here..... is this "feature" worked in beta?
i made some tests , and the results are these:





well, seems to me that the problem is viewing from the outside, not from the inside.

mike, can you please do a render from the outside?

thanks in advance,
nuno

[aitraaz]

what settings do you have for the dialectric material?

[Nuno Faria]

i used the standard "glass - crown of borosilicate BSC1" with color changed to rgb= 200,200,200... same for teapots.

[rivoli]

well, seems to me that the problem is viewing from the outside, not from the inside.

yes, one of the big problems was there was no way you could see the caustics produced by sunlight through a glass object.

even though this is an emitter test the caustics through glass problem is there:

[aitraaz]

Yup and that using the caustic layer caused hellish noise problems:

[Nuno Faria]

ok....now i understand!
i turned off the caustics and voilá:



please mike, can you turn off the caustics in your scene? thanks.


best regards,
nuno

[rivoli]

please mike, can you turn off the caustics in your scene? thanks.

you can't do that, the sunlight that passes through a glass object is a caustic. you can't see any light if caustics are turned off, as in your example.

[rivoli]

I wonder if it could be possible to turn caustics on/off on the object level?

don't know, the max plugin has such an option, but as long as i can tell it never worked.