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[SOLVED] 2.0 is slower than 1.7..1

Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 1:32 pm
by wimver
I am not shure, but the first test I did was very disappointing. hoping for a 3 to 5 times speed increase, I only found that the quality is less in the same amount of time. (see images below).
I took an existing mxs, opened in 2.0 without modifications, set the time to 20 minutes, and hit render.
apart from the fact that it stopped after 19 minutes instead of 20, I have the impression that the overall quality is less than with 1.7. there is more noise above the dark grey door on the left, and on the white outside ceiling above the largest window.

questions:
- do I need to reapply the materials to get a speed increase?
- is my 8core mac not using all processors while I just bought 1 license?

tnx
wim

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Re: 2.0 is slower than 1.7..1

Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 1:44 pm
by Mihai
If you could PM me the scene I can take a look at the materials.

Re: 2.0 is slower than 1.7..1

Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 6:07 pm
by Bubbaloo
I see much improvement in the V2.0 render. Light distribution, noise level, the areas behind the railings, sky hue...

Re: 2.0 is slower than 1.7..1

Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 6:24 pm
by Renato Lemus
Weird...Most of my scenes reach an improvement of 30-50% faster with mwr2. And exteriors are about 2 or more times faster.

Re: 2.0 is slower than 1.7..1

Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 6:47 pm
by Brett Morgan
Renato Lemus wrote:Weird...Most of my scenes reach an improvement of 30-50% faster with mwr2. And exteriors are about 2 or more times faster.
I am getting the same in the few scenes I have tried, even 2x faster is not a small speed increase :lol:

Brett

Re: 2.0 is slower than 1.7..1

Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 7:08 pm
by naikku
I havent had the pleasure YET to test v2 so I dont know jack shit.
But.

Is there any differences if one uses Intel or AMD -Cpus?

Re: 2.0 is slower than 1.7..1

Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 7:26 pm
by Mihai
Wimver, thanks for the file, the only materials I changed were the AGS ones. So many additive layers can cause excessive noise, so I just used the AGS wizard and created new ones, they will be more efficient. I should have made the balcony one less transparent, but that won't increase the noise.

So with this change, 20min on an i7 920 (set to 3.2Ghz), you have a higher BM than me so yours will look even cleaner:

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Re: 2.0 is slower than 1.7..1

Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 9:37 pm
by tom
:idea: So, if you have additive AGS in your 1.7 scenes, you should strictly replace those with new AGS.

Re: 2.0 is slower than 1.7..1

Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 9:56 pm
by 3dtrialpractice
Awsome.. this should go under "things to know about 1.7 to V2 sticky" !!.. I'll change over my 1.7 ags in scenes asap!! thanks!

Re: 2.0 is slower than 1.7..1

Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 10:08 pm
by def4d
The door and other parts were missing in the window reflection too

Re: 2.0 is slower than 1.7..1

Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 10:15 pm
by tom
Although, Mihai has set the reflection a bit high for my taste. :) Mihai, is that the default value in the wizard? 12.5%?

Re: [SOLVED] 2.0 is slower than 1.7..1

Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 1:50 am
by Mihai
:P

Nope, I set it higher, perhaps too high....around 70% I think.

Re: [SOLVED] 2.0 is slower than 1.7..1

Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 3:02 am
by Richard
Mihai and Tom?

Is it the golden rule that most materials should be updated for V2 or is it more so just those that use addative?

I think a sticky about what materials compositions should most likely be updated would be great!

When one has a vast library of materials it would be an advantage to narrow down culprits!!

Richard

Re: [SOLVED] 2.0 is slower than 1.7..1

Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 11:02 am
by wimver
Thanks Mihai!

you made my day (again)!
btw, for the others, the "noise" in the white middle part is not rendernoise but a stucco texture.

wim