[shen.de]

is this true?

Next Limit Maxwell Render Suite V3 Upgrade 330,00 € (netto)
Next Limit Maxwell V3 Update 5 RenderNodes 280,00 €

http://www.picturetools.de/ws/hprodukt.asp?ID=682

so an update for 1 full license and 8 nodes would be 890€?!?

really?!?


and i thought the 700€ for vray v3 + 10 nodes would be expensive...

I still got 8 full licenses for 1.7. didn't upgrade for v2 because if the prices for full license upgrades. Hope there's a way to merge 8 licenses to at least one full new+nodes to a reasonable price. otherwise that might be the end of the road for me

[numerobis]

I still got 8 full licenses for 1.7. didn't upgrade for v2 because if the prices for full license upgrades. Hope there's a way to merge 8 licenses to at least one full new+nodes to a reasonable price. otherwise that might be the end of the road for me

Upgrade von Version 1 oder 2.
Einzelplatz Lizenz (kann auf 2 Systemen installiert werden).

http://www.picturetools.de/ws/hprodukt.asp?ID=682

[Half Life]

Wow, even if you include the discount coupon I got from filling out the survey awhile back, that will be over $400 USD for the upgrade

I also found it interesting that the upgrade will cost more than 50% of the cost of buying a full version... Maybe I missed the part where more than 50% of v3 will be totally brand new

Best,
Jason.

[hankusp]

Wow, this price is much to high for upgrade if you need network rendering! And you need it if you think of speed of MR
Well, if it's true, I'll switch to Vray next months...

[Mihai]

I don't have any comment on pricing, or what it finally will be etc. But when was the last paying upgrade for Maxwell?

[Half Life]

That point only works if you assume all users upgraded at the launch of v2.

I think it is pretty safe to say alot of users have come onboard Maxwell more recently... so this seems a bit of a large sum for what has been demoed in your webinar.

Personally, I was expecting something between $250-300 USD... and I was already questioning the value proposition even at that price point.

At $400 USD I could purchase full versions of competing rendering software -- although in my case I might be inclined to put that money towards a Modo license and just use the built-in render engine. The thing that was holding me back from just buying Modo was I felt the extra cost of a built-in render engine was wasted money (since I had Maxwell). Obviously this makes me re-evauluate that value assessment... essentially it just got $400 cheaper in my eyes.

Best,
Jason.

[jojojoj]

what's so terrible about $400 for an upgrade? 400 isn't half the full price that's around 1000, sorry. Doesn't seem to be that much to me, especially considering it must be something like 3, or 4 years you're getting stuff for free…and do you really think mihai showed all of the new stuff you'll be getting?? dunno, but seems really ok for me
cheers

[Q2]

+1

[Half Life]

Nothing happens in a vacuum -- the value proposition always has to be filtered through what the competition is doing (both in terms of price and features).

Looking at it by itself, $400 is nothing... but filtered through the knowledge of the larger landscape, $400 seems out of line.

If there were features there that I felt were valuable enough or unique enough, I could easily justify much more than $400. So it isn't that specific number that is my issue. It is simply that number weighed against what I get in return (the value proposition).

I don't give my money away, it always has to be a good value (whatever the price may be). Maxwell 2 was that for me, which is why I had no problem buying it. I will have to take a harder look at v3, and evaluate what that $400 gets me (since many of the announced features don't mean much to me).

Best,
Jason.

[jojojoj]

what were the exact features that stood out at R 2.0 for you? I mean that was all good stuff, but when not considering all the free releases up to 2.7 I dunno if it was that more spectacular than R3 (as far as we have knowledge about the release features). And what's more, if NL don't change their behavior, you'll be getting a series of intermediate releases, with new features over the years

[Half Life]

Killer features that got me to buy v2:

Force Fresnel
Much faster caustics
Faster overall rendering in almost every circumstance

Looking at it right now the most valuable announced feature to me in v3 is the additive fix... and to be honest I use additive on almost all of my materials in v2 already with no issue. So to me this is more of a "good thing", rather than a "vital thing".

I will say those stickied forum posts by Tom for v2 really helped me decide -- so perhaps he will do something like that agian so we can better understand the value v3 represents (over v2).

Best,
Jason.

[jojojoj]

+1 I'd like to see this too here for V3 that was really nice.
for me e.g. the volumetrics alone seem to be an incredibly nice thing, further the fire revoxel-improvement seems like a great time saving feature !

[photomg1]

I wouldn't discount the value of modo's engine Jason , I make dirt maps with it. Plus baking textures to uv's . Which all can then be exported to maxwell . Also fabulous for previewing lighting , and depending on what your final look you are chasing is very good in itself. I always feel if you are really chasing realism to the nth degree maxwell is very hard to beat. Beyond that modo is very very good and in some cases (studio type shots can get very close to maxwell and an order of magnitude faster).

I say all of that but cant let go of maxwell because I'm seduced by the look of the renders : ).Even if its speed does drive me bananas .

Looking just at v3 for what it is,that is more price wise than I expected for what is on offer in this upgrade .Although I do think a lot of it depends on what host app you use though . As in the a lot of those features are just catch up to what I have already in modo but still not on parity.Procedurals, instancing, volumetrics etc.I can get all of those into maxwell from modo already bar the volumetrics from modo. So depending on where you are sat (sketchup , modo, c4d,archicad ...... )it is a very different value proposition for a lot of us.Personally I find this a real strange release.

The only problem I have with Mihai's point of view is that he knows what's on the roadmap for updates and due to the secrecy we don't

Maybe one of those point releases will make it a no brainer . (e.g overall Speed improvements, new advanced rendering techniques that is what I would have expected from a version update . The V3 features are much more like a point release imho).

still probably going to update mind you , just disappointed that I have my doubts about it.

[numerobis]

what's so terrible about $400 for an upgrade?

nothing... the problem is the price for the render node upgrade...

and... same story again... if maxwell would be the super fast engine that doesn't need many nodes to be usable everything would be ok...
So why charge that much for additional nodes? It was the same thing with no update option for nodes from v1 to v2...

I really think i'll update my vray license first this time and see how it works for me with progressive path tracing and quick render settings... (and btw. Mihai - for vray this is also the first paid update after 3 years... )

[dmeyer]

what's so terrible about $400 for an upgrade?

nothing... the problem is the price for the render node upgrade...

and... same story again... if maxwell would be the super fast engine that doesn't need many nodes to be usable everything would be ok...
So why charge that much for additional nodes? It was the same thing with no update option for nodes from v1 to v2...

Personally I'd wait for the prices to be announced by NL before making judgement.