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Doublet Lens

Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 11:42 pm
by David Solito
Doublet lens on Abbe diagram.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublet_%28lens%29

crown glass+flint glass
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flint glass
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crown glass
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Re: Doublet Lens

Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 11:51 pm
by tom
Cool! How do you deal with coplanar surfaces? Btw, I didn't know trilobites had doublet lens eyes. Amazing! :)

Re: Doublet Lens

Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 11:58 pm
by David Solito
Thank you Tom! Physic is so amazing and funny. Thanks maxwell, I discover many things!
I had some problems with the coplanar surfaces. So I used the Thomas An glass technique.
Just moving a little the first lens inside the second one.

Glass materials from ior maxwell database.
Modeled with Rhino Beta.

Btw... Is it an option to adjust the quality lenses of the maxwell camera?

Re: Doublet Lens

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 12:07 am
by tom
David Solito wrote:So I used the Thomas An glass technique.Just moving a little the first lens inside the second one.
Hmm..this is suspicious. Thomas' method isn't suggesting intersection. I guess you should do it in matroska fashion. :idea:
David Solito wrote:Btw... Is it an option to adjust the quality lenses of the maxwell camera?
Maxwell camera doesn't have chromatic or spherical aberration.

Re: Doublet Lens

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 1:55 am
by Bubbaloo
tom wrote:I guess you should do it in matroska fashion.
Can you elaborate? Google only turned up a file format...

But I imagine only one internal normal should be necessary to represent the transition from one material to another. Then exit normals.

I guess a tiny gap between meshes would be correct too as long as there were no intersections.

Re: Doublet Lens

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 12:22 pm
by tom
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Re: Doublet Lens

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 12:47 pm
by David Solito
I used the third option.
Tom, do you think it will change something to make a little space between the 2 lenses?
Is the matroska not the same as the Thomas An technique. The Orange juice (or champagne :D ) is included in the glass, isnt'it?

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Re: Doublet Lens

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 1:36 pm
by tom
David Solito wrote:Is the matroska not the same as the Thomas An technique. The Orange juice (or champagne :D ) is included in the glass, isnt'it?
Yes, it's why I remind. :) I'm afraid your method is not producing the correct look.
David Solito wrote:Tom, do you think it will change something to make a little space between the 2 lenses?
When you put space, TIR applies differently. Imagine a broken glass. It will show the crack no matter how tight you try to fit the pieces back.

Re: Doublet Lens

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 4:14 pm
by David Solito
This is the way?

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Re: Doublet Lens

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 4:48 pm
by tom
Could you try in the way I've illustrated above?

Re: Doublet Lens

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 6:24 pm
by David Solito
tom wrote:Could you try in the way I've illustrated above?
Sorry Tom, but I have some difficulties to interpret your doublet lens illustrations.
Where are the limits of cyan/magenta lenses?

Re: Doublet Lens

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 8:25 pm
by zdeno
there is no magenta limit.

main rule is not to "double" faces as coplanar or make tiny infinitesmal gap or "crossing" two meshes as it is recomended in eg. vray.

just think of it like - there is no need to have closed geometry to get proper glass.

so second lens is "without bottom" cylinder.

Re: Doublet Lens

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 10:46 pm
by David Solito
Tested the 2 diagrams. Mine and Tom's version. (Some ondulation due to smoothing, I think)

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Wich is the correct one :?: :?

Re: Doublet Lens

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 11:12 pm
by Half Life
The second looks better to me.

Best,
Jason.

Re: Doublet Lens

Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 11:50 am
by Lars Magnusson
Very cool physics test!
I would expect the correct solution to be with a small gap between the lenses? I understand the problem when a fluid is in contact with glass, but two lenses....do they really polish them to match on molecular level?
tom wrote:Maxwell camera doesn't have chromatic or spherical abberation.
And for that I thank you! I've spent a fortune on Canons highquality L-lenses and I still get annoying chromatic abberation that needs to be removed :?