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¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.-> Zeitgeist
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It's a movie full of half-truths. The world is so damn complicated.

isn't it a world our grand children could live in?
i'm currently working on a phd on sustainability and believe me, this thing has just started. such a shame to live now and not in the next century;)
not that I'm totally into everything presented in the second movie, it's like adrian's said - damn complicated world.
it's really worth watching as internet is still sort of a free media. some of my american friends used to bring dvd versions of these movies when visiting poland just to show us what's going on;) BTW: my friend got introduced to a fridge three years ago when she took some international exchange programme;)

-Adrian wrote:It's a movie full of half-truths. The world is so damn complicated.

I'll have to agree with Adrian on this. As much as I am an extreme advocate of sustainability, I feel there is something suspiciously fishy about these Zeitgeist films. They seem like a cocktail of some very accurate and astute observations (gaining your trust as you watch) interjected with a few subtle sophisms while you least expect it.

Any philosophy that ultimately promises indefinite resources for infinite humans in a Walgreen's-style utopia (without ever addressing population control measures, or growth halting) is inherently unsustainable and warrants some suspicion on its own. As such, the ideas presented are under the guise of sustainability, but not truly so (although the movie does correctly identify a number of problems).

I just listened to the second film, and it's a bit frustrating. He senses a problem related to money, and rightly so. But I do not believe that money and commerce are the problem. Commerce is obviously nothing more than you and I agreeing to trade with one another, and neglecting the possible aspect of force or fraud, it is implicit that the transaction must be mutually-beneficial. Money is simply a medium; it is a temporary and easily-transferred placeholder for value; a storehouse whose contents represent time previously invested. As such, the attempt in the film to to demonize money itself strikes me as being very similar to the practice of some other parties who condemn similarly-inert concepts on religious grounds. Unfortunately, this prevents realization of one of the more important corrective ideas available, which is: we need to institute freedom of money. Legal tender, while seemingly natural due to universal conditioning, is a fraudulent and fabricated concept; to expect that such a power, once granted, will not be abused absolutely is to me, completely irrational.

The rest of the video is, imho, both inaccurate and hopelessly utopian.

Iker: Just dig a hole and hide.


And after you've been in that hole for awhile you might have the thought --------- get busy living or get busy dying.

hehehehehe...

I just like the "matrixesque" part of the documentals...

MORPHEUS Remember that all I am offering is the truth. Nothing more.

Neo opens his mouth and swallows the red pill.

CYPHER You see, Trinity, we humans have a place in the future. But it's not here. It's in the Matrix.

TRINITY The Matrix isn't real!


I'm just a big fan/freak of Matrix

Here some Alan Watts on the topic of the 'modern society', i thought it fits in this thread. Just like Zeitgeist, take it with a grain of salt; His logic isn't flawless, but he's quite intriguing.

hehehe, does Rudy Guiliani really thinks the world is that black and white? :

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,516195,00.html

another very disturbing movie 'bout agriculture (leek)

http://tinyurl.com/ybgznr

Adrian - interesting; I appreciated his quip about television, which I have purposefully not watched in probably seven years now. Similar to his observation, I've often considered the special irony of mothers and their video cameras; you see them at momentous events involving their children, one eye pressed tightly into a viewfinder and the other squinted shut, attempting to preserve this invaluable moment for posterity. And it always makes me wonder if they ever do realize that they never actually saw it, never physically experienced it, and that indeed, they never will.