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life's too hard these days... he he.. read this..

Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 10:10 am
by Hervé
SHAKESPEARE IN LOVE

Anne Hathaway was the wife of William Shakespeare. She married at the ripe old age of 26. This was very unusual for the time. Most people married young by today's standards — with the average age being around 12 or 13.
Life was not quite as romantic as portrayed in the movies. Here are some examples…

Anne Hathaway's home was a 3 bedroom house with a small parlor, which was seldom used (only for company), kitchen, and no bathroom. Mother and Father shared a bedroom. Anne had a queen sized bed, but did not sleep alone. She also had two sisters and they shared the bed with six servant girls (this is before she married). They didn't sleep like we do, length-wise, but all laid on the bed cross-wise. Well, at least they HAD a bed!
The other bedroom was shared by her 6 brothers and 20 field workers. They didn't have a bed. Everyone just wrapped up in their blanket and slept on the floor. They had no indoor heating so all the extra bodies kept them warm.
They had 27 people living in their house (not counting the field workers).They were also small people, the men only grew to be about 5'5" and the women were 4'6".
Most people got married in June. Why? They took their yearly bath in May, so they were still smelling pretty good by June, relatively speaking. (Although they were starting to smell, so the brides would always carry a bouquet of flowers to hide their body odor.)
Their yearly May bath was in one big tub that they would fill with hot water. The man of the house would get the privilege of the nice clean water. Then all the other sons and men, then the women and finally the children. Last were the babies. By then the water was pretty thick. Thus, the saying, "don't throw the baby out with the bath water," it was so dirty you could actually lose someone in it!
Their houses: you've heard of thatched roofs, well that's all they were. Thick straw, piled high, with no wood underneath. They were the only place for the little animals to get warm. So all the pets; dogs, cats and other small animals, mice, rats, bugs, all lived in the roof. When it rained it became slippery so sometimes the animals would slip and fall off the roof. Thus the saying, "it's raining cats and dogs."
Since there was nothing to stop things from falling into the house they would just try to clean up a lot. But this posed a real problem in the bedroom where bugs and other droppings from animals could really mess up your nice clean bed, so they found if they built beds with big posts and hung a sheet over the top it would prevent that problem. That's where those big 4 poster beds with canopies came from.
When you came into the house you would notice most times that the floor was dirt. Only the wealthy had something other than dirt, that's where the saying "dirt poor" came from. The wealthy would have slate floors. That was fine but in the winter they would get slippery when they got wet. So they started to spread thresh on the floor to help keep their footing. As the winter wore on they would just keep adding it and adding it until when you opened the door it would all start slipping outside. So they put a piece of wood at the entry way, a "thresh hold".
In the kitchen they would cook over the fire; they had a fireplace in the kitchen/parlor, that was seldom used and sometimes in the master bedroom. They had a big kettle that always hung over the fire and every day they would light the fire and start adding things to the pot. Mostly they ate vegetables, they didn't get much meat. They would eat the stew for dinner then leave the leftovers in the pot to get cold overnight and then start over the next day. Sometimes the stew would have food in it that had been in there for a month! Thus the rhyme: peas porridge hot, peas porridge cold, peas porridge in the pot nine days old."
Sometimes they could get a hold of some pork. They really felt special when that happened and when company came over they even had a rack in the parlor where they would bring out some bacon and hang it to show it off. That was a sign of wealth and that a man "could really bring home the bacon". They would cut off a little to share with guests and they would all sit around and chew the fat.
If you had money your plates were made out of pewter. Sometimes some of their food had a high acid content and some of the lead would leach out into the food. They really noticed it happened with tomatoes. So they stopped eating tomatoes, for 400 years! Most people didn't have pewter plates though, they all had trenchers, that was a piece of wood with the middle scooped out like a bowl. They never washed their boards and a lot of times worms would get into the wood. After eating off the trencher with worms they would get "trench mouth." If you were going traveling and wanted to stay at an Inn they usually provided the bed but not the board.
Bread was divided according to status. The workers would get the burnt bottom of the loaf; the family would get the middle; the guests would get the top, or the "upper crust".
When they drink they would use lead cups and drink ale or whiskey. The combination would sometimes knock them out for a couple of days! They would be walking along the road and here would be someone unconscious and they thought they were dead, so they would pick them up and take them home and get them ready to bury. They realized if they were too slow about it, the person would wake up; also, maybe not. So they would lay them out on the kitchen table for a couple of days, the family would gather around and eat and drink and wait and see if they would wake up. That's where the custom of holding a "wake" came from.


Since church yards in England were small they started running out of places to bury people. When they began the practice of digging up old coffins and would take their bones to a house and re-use the grave. It was noticed on opening these coffins that some had scratch marks on the inside. One out of 50 coffins were that way, so they realized they had still been burying a lot of people alive. So the practice of tying a string onto the wrist of the dead person arose. The string lead up through the coffin, through the ground and to a bell. Someone would have to sit out in the graveyard all night to listen for the bell. That is how the saying "graveyard shift" come into use. If the bell rang they would know that someone was "saved by the bell"...

Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 11:52 am
by glebe digital
8) .......nice to see someone else finds this stuff fascinating Hervé. :)

If you're ever in the UK, you should go here for a visit:
http://www.wealddown.co.uk/home-page-english.htm

Amazing medieval buildings from all over the UK, dismantled and brought to the one place to save them for posterity.........the best day out in England by far. :)

Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 12:30 pm
by Hervé
very cool link.. thanks... ! :D

I am very interested by 2 things... Textile and off course food... :wink:

H.

Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:13 pm
by leoA4D
And for the lovers of learning, the age of enlightenment knows no end.

Okay! So that is the origin of "threshold", a word I have uttered a thousand times or more. I googled "thresh" and after the first two pages, I did not find a definition other than thrash (verb). From the word "thresher", thresh is apparently the chaff or leftovers after the grain has been removed.

Anyway this is great and I will share it with friends and family – with attribution

Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:44 pm
by Leonardo
IT Doesn't sound too bad, they had 6 servant girls and 20 workers :twisted:

Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 5:30 pm
by Hervé
he he Thanks LeoA4D hehe... well I personnaly liked the "don't throw the baby out with the bath water"... we even say that in French... I am not sure all is 100% exact, I found on the web googling "wake up in a coffin.." .. hehe.. ( This is why I do want to be burned to the last piece when I ... well .. ya know...

Leo, that was SHAKESPEARE... hehe.. pretty wealthy... I suppose... but just the entire trip is funny... the conception they had of the life...

I have a book here from Gustave Doré... illustrations of life in London in 1875.. so not so long ago... incredible... every movie we see today is far from reality... except one... Elelphant man... and even that movie touches 2% of the reality.. terrible times... :wink: 8)

Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:20 am
by leoA4D
Hervé wrote:he he Thanks LeoA4D hehe... well I personnaly liked the "don't throw the baby out with the bath water"... we even say that in French...
That is a good one. I grew up hearing that saying and it is interesting that it is used in French, too. We are having a good time with "Hervé's List" over here.

One question, uh, why did you google "wake up in a coffin"? It sounds a bit strange.

Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 8:36 am
by Hervé
he he why "wake up in a coffin...?"... because I am also interessted about death.. but not in a "dark way"... all the techniques, materials, coffins... hehe... nahhhhh.. I was just curious, because I was watching something on TV about " cuccomber zombies"...


when someone wanted to eliminate (kill) a family member (in Tahiti), they would not really kill him, but they'd give him (they sneaked it..) some special preparation called zombie powder.. http://science.howstuffworks.com/zombie1.htm

... but in fact people were not dead..(more like paralized..). and they said some of them could get out of the coffin after a couple days, because of the bad quality of the coffin construction... and they'd walk in the city like ghosts/zombies... after they escape the coffin.. or what served as a coffin.. and so they said so many people in Coma (in the past) were burried alive... hehe.. and so I typed "wake up in a coffin"... hehe..

I noticed people are pretty interested in the subject..
:wink:

Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:43 am
by glebe digital
Terrible times indeed Hervé..............easy to forget that the Edwardians had modern weapons, cars, electricity etc, but no antibiotics.............Alexander Fleming is a somewhat forgotten hero of the last century, not many people seem to care/appreciate that anymore.

My great-grandfather lost his left hand playing cricket, was hit by the ball, broke a small bone [which got infected]........whole thing had to come off.

Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:30 pm
by Hervé
yep... you're right...Antibiotics... how many people would die these days i antibitics weren't there... I can say I'd be dead by now..

SUGAR : people would die also from diabet very much when they introduced the sugar on tables..remember that before real sugar, the only way you could sugar some food was honey...

In France, in Versailles, they would eat sugar like fools...(luckily not the poor people, it was very expensive) hehe.. but on a +side, it was non-refined sugar.. so the problem was limited..

BTW, I advise People would read this to eat only NON-refined sugar... the white sugar is pretty much a poison.. and the sugar industry lobby is hidding the real facts... :wink:

see here.. (also in English)
http://biogassendi.ifrance.com/sucre.htm

also if you eat "fake synthesis sugar".. I order you to STOP it right away... see... not even an advice... an command... I want to save as many Maxwellians as I can... while it's time... :D

Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 4:30 pm
by ivox3
Since church yards in England were small they started running out of places to bury people. When they began the practice of digging up old coffins and would take their bones to a house and re-use the grave. It was noticed on opening these coffins that some had scratch marks on the inside. One out of 50 coffins were that way, so they realized they had still been burying a lot of people alive. So the practice of tying a string onto the wrist of the dead person arose. The string lead up through the coffin, through the ground and to a bell. Someone would have to sit out in the graveyard all night to listen for the bell. That is how the saying "graveyard shift" come into use. If the bell rang they would know that someone was "saved by the bell"...
The term 'dead ringers' also came from this practice ..... Nice. lol..


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Nice can of worms you've opened here Hervé ... lol..

Yeah, ...the sugar thing, the fluoride in the water thing, the white flour thing --- that is soooooooo just the tip of the iceberg.

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White flour is a natural insecticide because it kills any insect that attempts to live off of it.

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There have been additional studies that indicate potential for fluoride to damage the brain, lower IQ,[16] reduce thyroid function,[17] and cause bone cancer in adolescent boys


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In "Aspartame Disease; An Ignored Epidemic", Dr. H. J. Roberts observed in 1500 patients that aspartame induces depression and suicidal thoughts. "The rate of suicide among teenagers is increasing." One victim of aspartame poisoning wrote to him, "Someone needs to check the teenage suicidal tendency and see how much (aspartame) they consume."

Neurosurgeon, Dr. Russell Blaylock, "Excitotoxins: The Taste That Kills", tells us both glutamate (MSG) and aspartame (NutraSweet) can stimulate neurons (in the brain) to become extremely excited, causing these cells to deteriorate and die, resulting in brain damage of varying degrees.

Dr. Janet Hull, author of "Sweet Poison" also reports the chemicals in aspartame block normal serotonin production in the brain and that serotonin levels are generally lower in depressed individuals.



Obviously, ..you can find an endless source of chemicals, corporations and nefarious agendas that appear to all be trying to kill you. It makes you wonder if all these population/genocide control and NWO conspiracy types aren't exactly RIGHT..... ??? Maybe ...


Anyway, ..the point here is that people are beginning to question whether the kool-aid that's been provided is fit for drinking, ... if you know what I mean.
Its all good, ... the nexus for change, as it were. :)

Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 5:26 pm
by glebe digital
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 7:02 pm
by Hervé
Thanks for the input Chris.. indeed the point of the iceberd...

about the bread... yep I try to eat only plain bio flour breads .. also beware of the yeast they use... chemical... artificially raising the dough to the max.. very bad... my granpa was a baker... the way they made bread was so different from today's corner bakery (or supermarket).. Granpa was employing 6 bakers.. JUST for the dough mixing... BY HAND ! Imagine 6 people around a huge long metal baket... + the yeast they used was only natural... and they'd use starter yeast twice a year... when they made the dough, they would keep in a close pot a small part of the dough.. mixing it with the next day dough.. etc...

Result : Very healthy bread ! you can still eat it after a few days ! (and here I don't talk about the rectangle plastic bad breads you find so much in US... full of preservatives and fat... Fat in a bread ...?!?.. Granpa would of had a heart attack if you told him that... rememeber that in France and other countries also... (but I know for France for sure), they would eat 900 grams of bread per day per people !! so it had to be very good & healthy.. !

about sugar, you got to be careful also bout hidden sugar that industrial put about everywhere...

big advice.. cook as much food yourself as you can... better eat a simple good vegetable soup that you made yourself (and very cheap to make) than a frozen pizza (very expensive.)... so much shit in it... amazing its still has any pizza taste...

ahhh... Mandrake... good one... hehe.. :wink:

ok, now go and nourrish yourself with all the wonderful products mother nature has to offer.. and remember to eat very slowly.. you'll be more satisfied with less..(US people say "Full". hehe.. like the car tank..hehe)

Bon Appétit !
H.

Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 7:53 pm
by Mihai
.....and amazingly life expectancy keeps rising :?:

Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 7:54 pm
by -Adrian
There's lots of wisdom to be found in cultural habits. Many cuisines in the world are pretty solid in that they developed proper nutrition over millennia. The whole refinement thing is a very modern occurrence. Kinda stupid to think that we're starting to lose, what worked so well for us.
With all the hysteria one should remember though, that the average life expectancy was around 20-30 years throughout most of our history. So the nutritional safety we enjoy today, is excellent, even if the mega corps are experimenting on us.

I also prefer real food and thankfully can get a lot of basics from a local farmer. Over easter everyone throws mountains of sweets at you, i wonder if i can give it away to someone who'd appreciate it.

edit: damn you Mihai!