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architects/engineer's fee
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 4:35 am
by wagurto
Does anyone knows what percentage of a project's fees goes to engineers and what percentage goes to architects?
I am try to figure it out a fee structure for my firm and I need some guidelines. I know that in USA there is no pre stablished fee schedule that's why I am asking you to share form your experiences.
Thanks
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 8:36 am
by vansan
60% architects
40% engineers
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But it depends on project too.
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 3:29 pm
by andrebaros
It varies quite a bit. On many of our more simple projects we do most of the engineering ourselves and only hire an engineer to review it. On more complicated projects we've had more fee for engineers than for ourselves, but that's split between many different engineering disciplines. On average, because we still do so much more coordination and client management, I'd say a typical split is around 70/30 arch/eng.
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 5:07 pm
by leoA4D
Call a couple of MPE and structural engineering firms (a star and an unknown) to discuss the building type(s), size(s), location(s), etc. that you are interested in. There are other consultants that can be required for a project, e.g., fire and safety, telecommunications, vertical transport, etc.
Try to get more facts or you could blow the slim profit with a guestimate breakdown.
Also, you can buy RS Means (
http://www.rsmeans.com/) or Building News (
http://www.bnibooks.com/) cost (estimating) data books that include some professional compensation info.
GL
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 9:14 pm
by paxreid
Wow....The split is definaly not 70/30 or even 60/40 (Arch/Eng) unless you are talking about a single family house or something small in scale.
Our fees, depending on the scale of the job are typically 50/50 if we are really lucky...but typically works out to 40/60. But...mostly institutional work..there are multiple consultants and engineers. So the 60 isn't just for engineering, it is Structural, MEP+FP, Acoustic, Lighting, Code Consultants, etc,etc,etc.
In the US, the AIA Professional Practice guide does have guidelines as well as some other agencies keep statistics (As leo stated)
Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 12:31 am
by jomaga
My experience is 70/30 or even 75/25, depending on the size of the project.
Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 1:09 am
by Jeff Tamagini
paxreid wrote:Wow....The split is definaly not 70/30 or even 60/40 (Arch/Eng) unless you are talking about a single family house or something small in scale.
Our fees, depending on the scale of the job are typically 50/50 if we are really lucky...but typically works out to 40/60. But...mostly institutional work..there are multiple consultants and engineers. So the 60 isn't just for engineering, it is Structural, MEP+FP, Acoustic, Lighting, Code Consultants, etc,etc,etc.
In the US, the AIA Professional Practice guide does have guidelines as well as some other agencies keep statistics (As leo stated)
Im going with Pax on this one, we do all institutional science (chemistry, physics) along with nano-tech, biomedical and pharmaceutical work, and its usually the opp split like 45/55 40/60. I am working on a project now with a dozen different engineering and specialty consultants