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•FAQ• Bubble shadow from distant emitters/sun?

Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 4:09 am
by jfrancis
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Do default wizard (450nm) bubbles in Maxwell cast dense shadows under the default daylight sky?

Re: Bubble Shadow?

Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 7:53 pm
by Bubbaloo
Maybe Maxwell treats it as a solid sphere? I would be curious to see the same test with a non-solid (shelled) sphere, so that Maxwell treats the inside volume of the sphere as air.

Re: Bubble Shadow?

Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 9:36 pm
by jfrancis
good question. those were solid.

Re: Bubble Shadow?

Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 11:08 pm
by Fernando Tella
Can a coating be considered solid? It has a specific thickness by definition. I wonder if it would behave like that in reality because of refraction...

Does it behave like that with a small emitter (which generates hard shadows)?

Re: •FAQ• Bubble shadow from distant emitters/sun?

Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 1:47 pm
by tom
This is a limitation and it's not limited to sun. It will also fail when you use distant/small emitters.
But, there's a very easy workaround to overcome this limitation.

Please follow these steps:
- Activate base BSDF of the coating.
- Set ref=0, trans=254, Nd=1, Atten=999m, rough=0

That's all! The caustics will appear starting from SL2 ;)

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Re: •FAQ• Bubble shadow from distant emitters/sun?

Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 7:04 pm
by eric nixon
ermm, but they dont look like soap-bubbles anymore :?

Re: •FAQ• Bubble shadow from distant emitters/sun?

Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 10:56 pm
by tom
They are. This workaround makes absolutely zero difference in their look. You can try yourself.

Re: •FAQ• Bubble shadow from distant emitters/sun?

Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 4:49 am
by eric nixon
OK I guess I was refering to the look of the shadow. I dont really know what a soap bubble shadow looks like, but I dont believe it looks like that.
Anyway I tried the technique, with sun it seems to work but there is persistent noise in the preview which becomes saturated noise at higher sl. It doesnt work at all with intense hdr shadows, the other images show another technique with faked shadows but at least that works in all lighting situations.

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Re: •FAQ• Bubble shadow from distant emitters/sun?

Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 1:57 pm
by tom

Re: •FAQ• Bubble shadow from distant emitters/sun?

Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 3:18 pm
by eric nixon
Thanks, Ive learnt something. 8) Also it looks like the bubble appears much more saturated when backlit, hence the saturated shadows.